[opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV

Boy Lane boy.lane at yahoo.com
Fri Apr 9 08:50:24 PDT 2010

As I and others wrote, you may want to change to a neutral platform that does
not require one to clickwrap a policy that is to be discussed.
The Betagrid would be such an option, and I assume all involved developers
have accounts old enough to be in the database.

Please also move away from that voice plan. Many people are not fluent in
English but can read and write.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Joe Miller 
  To: Boy Lane 
  Cc: opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com 
  Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 11:30 PM
  Subject: Re: Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV


  So it's sounds like you won't be able to join me.  Sorry to hear that.

  -- joe

  Boy Lane wrote: 

    You probably did not read the terms I have to agree upon login yourself. Otherwise you'd have found a better answer to the concern raised.

    It is not about time or any dates of policies to become effective. It is about acceptance of unacceptable terms.

    I can not accept the new ToS without accepting TPV, and the latter was the one you said you would like to discuss? You don't create facts in the first place to eventually negotiate them later. TPV is unacceptaple and if you are really interested in an open and unhindered discussion you should find a discussion medium that allows for this. The beta grid would be such an option.

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Joe Linden 
      To: Boy Lane 
      Cc: opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com 
      Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 1:32 PM
      Subject: Re: Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV

      Of course you can.  The ToS presented at login clearly states it becomes effective on 4/30.  In the meantime, you continue to use the service under the terms of the prior ToS which doesn't contain the TPV provisions.  If one has issues with the prior ToS agreement, and hasn't previously accepted those terms, then I agree, this meeting isn't for you.

      -- joe

      On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Boy Lane <boy.lane at yahoo.com> wrote:

        Thanks Joe.

        Unfortunately one can not attend without going inworld and accepting
        ToS/TPV in the first place.

          ----- Original Message ----- Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 13:24:57 -0700
          From: Joe Linden <joe at lindenlab.com>
          Subject: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV
          next Tuesday (4/13)
          To: OpenSource-Dev <opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com>
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          Hello, all.  I've been reading the ongoing commentary here, on various
          blogs, irc, and in-world groups about the recently introduced Third Party
          Viewer Policy and Directory and I'd like to host an "office hour" or
          informal brown bag to make the conversation a little more synchronous for
          those who are interested.  I plan to hold three of these over the next
          couple of weeks, at times that might be friendlier for some than others, but
          the first one will happen next Tuesday, 4/13 at noon PDT.  I'd like to
          address questions about the intent of the policy, how we will be using the
          Directory going forward, and see if I can gather the specific concerns that
          have been raised by the community over the past several weeks.  It'll be an
          informal Q&A session, held in voice, at this location:


          No RSVP needed, and feel free to rebroadcast the invite to others you think
          would benefit from open dialog around the subject.

          I hope to see many of you there next week.

          -- Joe

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