[opensource-dev] Fwd: Third party viewer policy

Tigro Spottystripes tigrospottystripes at gmail.com
Wed Feb 24 16:56:37 PST 2010


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(just bouncing back to the list)

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Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Third party viewer policy
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:04:32 -0800
From: Rob Nelson <nexisentertainment at gmail.com>
To: Tigro Spottystripes <TigroSpottystripes at Gmail.com>

Not to mention the many existing griefing apps that will continue to
mask hardware-based IDs and completely ignore the LL TPV. :/

Thank you for the three-month extension, should give me plenty of time
to work on changing all references of FlexLife to whatever the hell we
decide on renaming to.

The next time you guys do this sort of thing, try asking the community
about it first before setting everything in stone.  Changing brandnames
may be easy for a company with 200 developers and a marketing team, but
stuff like this takes smaller teams like Emerald, FlexLife, and Rainbow
a much longer time to implement.  Not all of us are huge megacorps like
LL.  Consider that before dropping a new policy on us without warning.

Rob Nelson
Lead Developer
The Viewer Formerly Known as FlexLife

On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 13:21 -0300, Tigro Spottystripes wrote:
> actually, changing the MAC address of your network card is quite easy in
> some cases (i've been using a custom MAC address for quite some time)
> 
> On 24/2/2010 11:28, Scott McCulley wrote:
>> Argent,
> 
>>  From a network standpoint, the mac address is a layer two address  
>> that is not seen when crossing a router to a new network. So, therer  
>> is no way to see your mac address from the network packets. LL is  
>> using the mac address as a unique identifier of your computer. When  
>> you use the SL viewer, it can read your mac address locally, then send  
>> it along to LL to be used to identify you on the grid. So if you have  
>> multiple accounts that you use from the same computer, they know it is  
>> you, no matter what your IP address, proxy server, or other network  
>> layer protection is used.
> 
>> In the case of known griefers, LL could simply disable access from  
>> that mac address that is reported by the viewer, and the person cannot  
>> get back in to the grid, regardless of IP or SL account. The only way  
>> is to use a completely new computer with a different mac address.
> 
>> That being said, if the developers mask the ability to read and report  
>> the mac address to the LL grid, they lose the abilit to block the bad  
>> guys.
> 
>> -Scott
> 
> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 24, 2010, at 5:49 AM, Argent Stonecutter  
>> <secret.argent at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Admittedly this is not likely to be a common scenario, but the whole
>>> idea that a MAC address is a unique identifier for a device is based
>>> on a deep-seated confusion about the network stack.
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