[opensource-dev] Open Development project: extending avatar wearables

[Glen Canaday]

Nyx,

Oh, I actually do have one functionality idea / request: rather than 
allowing the creator to dictate the clothing layer of a wearable, can we 
allow the wearer themselves choose where it goes? I can't tell you how 
many times I've had to not wear something because the original creator 
did not have the foresight to put it on a layer that makes sense for 
that wearable, nor include a copy that goes onto the desired layer.

We might have a tattoo layer now, but most places are not offering that, 
nor are very many people using 2.0. It would be nice to be able to 
choose that a tattoo goes *under* the underpants since most people sell 
tats on the unders layer and will until 2.1 or 2.2 is widely used. If we 
get to choose which of which multiple-wearable goes on top at /wear/ 
time and not /creation/ time, it allows for far more flexibility in 
customizing an avatar's look.

Just my $0.02, but it's hard to justify having multiple layers in my 
mind without doing it this way.

--GC

On 03/23/2010 12:58 PM, Nyx Linden wrote:
>    The current iteration of the appearance floater needs to go away. The
> current implementation has been held together with chicken wire, bubble
> gum, and duct tape. It works for now, but it won't hold up to the
> addition of multiple wearables of a given type. The currently designed
> plan is to extend the appearance sidebar to pick up the extra
> functionality of editing a saved outfit and editing of individual
> wearables. I think the flow between the different stages (selecting your
> outfit, editing your outfit, editing a wearable item) should be pretty
> useful and intuitive. I'll be posting our initial design thoughts once
> we get the appropriate channels set up (forums most likely).
>
> I will remind you, however, that this project is specifically about
> extending the avatar functionality. Yes there is a UI element here, and
> I'm open to discussion of various ways of presenting the UI for these
> specific features, given that the ideas are 1) easy to use and intuitive
> and 2) still able to be done within the given timeframe.
>
> It sounds, however that you're asking for the ability to "tear off" any
> of the sidepanels into independent floaters. This is good feedback, and
> a perspective that a number of residents share, but this project is not
> the one that is capable of doing that. We have a design team and a
> "Viewer interactive" team that is in charge of the overall design and
> GUI implementation of the major elements of the viewer. I'm pretty sure
> that they're already aware of this feedback, but I'll send it their way
> again.
>
> Let's keep discussion of the multi-wearables functionality on-target,
> please :)
>
> -Nyx
>
> Bryon Ruxton wrote:
>    
>> Could you please stop putting everything into that sidebar as the only
>> way to access stuff. You’ve kept wanting to make this “communicator
>> window “ before into a single un-detachable block. And despite many of
>> use hating it and asking for you to make separate floaters, (or at
>> least give us that option), you keep attaching everything all together
>> again in that sidebar. This is an ill conceived approach for many of
>> us, who are used to identify specific panels at a specific position of
>> our choice on the screen just like . Blending it all together makes it
>> harder in that sense.
>>
>> I recall LL hiring a guy who worked on the Tivo interface which is a
>> great one for its purpose. But the viewer is a much more complex
>> interface. I see too much of the Tivo formula into this “drawer”. The
>> worse part is that the sidebar buttons are stuck on the left side and
>> actual move with the sidebar panel itself. That seems wrong. Button
>> should stay at the same place on the right in an Adobe fashion for
>> distinction purpose.
>>
>> I wish you had studied and adopted the approach of the Adobe UIs with
>> stackable and detachable panels and buttons on the right side (which
>> always stay there). Their approach is a much better solution in my
>> view that this drawer type, which is a huge waste of space right now
>> and adding to the required amount of clicks to get somewhere.
>>
>> In short, please reserve an option for detachable floaters as much as
>> possible, and please
>> consider the Adobe approach for a more flexible and customizable
>> sidebar(s) for Version 2.x.x
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> On 3/22/10 8:06 PM, "Nyx Linden"<nyx at lindenlab.com>  wrote:
>>
>>      Good question! There is still a lot of detail left out of these
>>      descriptions, but we are planning on moving the UI in the
>>      appearance editor into the sidebar, along with creating a new
>>      outfit editor UI. You will still see the results of the changes
>>      you are making on your avatar in-world in real time. There will
>>      still be an "editing appearance" mode as you have now, it will
>>      just be accompanied by a panel in the sidebar instead of a
>>      separate floater.
>>
>>      - Nyx
>>
>>      On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Argent Stonecutter
>>      <secret.argent at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>          On 2010-03-22, at 12:45, Nyx Linden wrote:
>>
>>              1) A new panel to edit what is stored in your saved outfit
>>              without
>>              creating a new one.
>>              This will include both an inventory view and a view of
>>              your outfit
>>              itself, so you can drag items from your inventory to your
>>              outfit without
>>              having an extra floater open
>>              2) Editing of wearable items (body parts and/or clothing
>>              objects) in the
>>              sidebar, selectable from the outfit editor
>>              3) Removal of the appearance floater
>>
>>
>>          I have a concern about this, where it comes to editing outfits
>>          containing prim parts. You have to see them in world, you
>>          can't just edit them in a sidebar window, because you may need
>>          to edit them with reference to objects in world.
>>
>>          If I'm mistaken about what "removal of the appearance floater"
>>          means, in the context of a UI designed to allow you to edit
>>          outfits without having to wear them, then I'll be happy to be
>>          corrected.
>>
>>
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