[opensource-dev] Unjust Banning of residents?

[malachi at tamzap.com]

I am sure. It was a fresh pull from viewer-development as requested by 
a fellow dev. 3 days later the email came and the accounts were 
terminated.

The point of the matter is, No where does it say that a client MUST BE 
LISTED IN THE TPVD in order to comply with that policy. Yet they are 
banning individuals for using clients not listed in the TPVD.


On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:32:03 -0400, Celierra Darling wrote:
> It might be that the explanation message is mistaken, and it's
> supposed to reference the TPVP instead of the TPVD (or even a
> different policy altogether, if, say, someone clicked the wrong
> message).  Are you sure that, whatever viewer(s) was being used, it
> conformed to the TPVP, and there wasn't anything else going on that
> could be shady?
>
> Celi
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 2:23 PM,  wrote:
>
>> I thought it was a phishing attempt as well. But the account has
>> been
>> removed from second life. POOF. so unless some phisher has the
>> ability
>> to terminate accounts this is as real as it gets.
>>
>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:21:48 +0200, Marine Kelley wrote:
>> > Careful, it could be a phishing attempt. Do NOT click on any of
>> the
>> > links inside this email (unless you're certain it comes from
>> Linden
>> > Lab, but then again emails can be spoofed).
>> >
>> > On 16/08/2011, malachi at tamzap.com [1] wrote:
>> >> exactly which is why this message is so disturbing. accounts
>> have
>> >> been
>> >> terminated from second life for using a viewer not listed in
>> the
>> >> directory.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "This email is notification that Linden Lab has terminated
>> >> your access to the Second Life virtual world due to severe
>> >> or repeated violations of the Second Life Terms of Service
>> >> or Community Standards. Your (account name
>> 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx') and
>> >> alternate Second Life accounts have been
>> >> made permanently inaccessible."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:33:39 -0400, Erin Mallory wrote:
>> >>> Last I checked there is no requirement to use an approved tvp.
>> even
>> >>> on the tvp listing page. Looking at the policy and the
>> directory
>> >>> pages, no where does it say that the viewer must be listed in
>> the
>> >>> tvp...
>> >>> http://secondlife.com/corporate/tpv.php [3]
>> >>> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Third_Party_Viewer_Directory
>> [4]
>> >>>
>> >>> "You may connect to Second Life using software released by a
>> >>> third-party developer. Linden Lab provides a Policy on
>> Third-Party
>> >>> Viewers [1] to promote a positive and predictable experience
>> for
>> >>> all
>> >>> Second Life Residents."
>> >>>
>> >>>> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:23:21 -0700
>> >>>> From: malachi at tamzap.com [5]
>> >>>> To: opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com [6]
>> >>>> Subject: [opensource-dev] Unjust Banning of residents?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Violation: Third Party Viewer Usage
>> >>>> You are connecting to the grid with a viewer that is not in
>> the
>> >>> third
>> >>>> party viewer directory.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> However...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A viewer does not need to be on the Third Party Viewer
>> Directory
>> >>>> in
>> >>>> order for development or usage of it to be compliant with the
>> >>>> Third
>> >>>
>> >>>> Party Viewer Policy (see Policy on Third-Party Viewers |
>> Second
>> >>> Life)
>> >>>> and the Terms of Service. While I am sure you are well aware
>> of
>> >>> this, it
>> >>>> can also be deduced through common sense that the open source
>> >>> program
>> >>>> (Snowstorm, Snowglobe, etc) would not be able to exist in an
>> >>> environment
>> >>>> where every personal compile had to be listed on the TPVD
>> before
>> >>>> it
>> >>>
>> >>>> could even begin to undergo any form of live quality
>> assurance
>> >>>> processes.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Long story short, unless there have been recent changes to
>> the
>> >>> Terms of
>> >>>> Service that I am unaware of, or if there are relevant
>> sections
>> >>> that I
>> >>>> have missed that indicate that a viewer that complies with
>> the
>> >>> Third
>> >>>> Party Viewer Policy still must be in the Directory to be
>> >>> legitimately
>> >>>> used, I would request that you provide me with them.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What this means is every single BETA tester for every client
>> on
>> >>>> the
>> >>>
>> >>>> TPVD is at risk of losing their accounts because that
>> compiled
>> >>> version
>> >>>> of that client is not listed on the TPVD. Each and every
>> Developer
>> >>> who
>> >>>> has worked so hard to help Linden Lab build their Client into
>> what
>> >>> it is
>> >>>> is at risk of losing their accounts because each time they
>> >>> recompile the
>> >>>> source it isn't listed in the TPVD and is now considered a
>> >>> Violation of
>> >>>> some hidden TOS clause.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I am posting this to this forum because I wanted to get feed
>> back
>> >>> from
>> >>>> the community. As I myself and a developer who has
>> contributed
>> >>> patches
>> >>>> to various TPVD Clients and am now finding myself cautious to
>> even
>> >>> use
>> >>>> these clients source codes to help them. I would like
>> >>>> clarification
>> >>> from
>> >>>> Linden Lab as well as other Developers on this new banning
>> policy
>> >>> that
>> >>>> is requiring every compiled client that connects to second
>> life to
>> >>> be
>> >>>> listed in the TPVD.
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