[opensource-dev] Unjust Banning of residents?

[Brian McGroarty]

What were some of the viewers you tested on that account? Typically, the
trigger would have been within the last month.

On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Erin Mallory <angel_of_crimson at hotmail.com
> wrote:

>  im just like wtf?  the account i got hit by (which i sent the name of to
> oz) is still showing active... in search... but its one i rarely use.
> mostly for hiding and/or testing stuff.  Im hearing the same from other
> people too now though in other groups im in...
>
> > Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:04:11 -0700
>
> > From: malachi at tamzap.com
> > To: opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com
> > Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Unjust Banning of residents?
> >
> > I knew it couldnt be just a single event. There is something going on
> > at Linden Lab and honest developers are losing their accounts over it.
> >
> > On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:46:29 -0400, Erin Mallory wrote:
> > > I have been hit with this as well on one of my alts. interestingly, I
> > > have only ever logged that account in with v-d builds or firestorm.
> > > I've sent an abuse report asking for clarification. im about to
> > > contact support.
> > >
> > >> From: jessica at trinityenterprises.ca
> > >> To: opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com
> > >> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:41:56 -0400
> > >> Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Unjust Banning of residents?
> > >>
> > >> This is interesting as our support team has had reports of this
> > > from some of
> > >> our own users. We figured it was phishing and suggested said users
> > > contact
> > >> LL. I don't know the results however...
> > >>
> > >> Jessica Lyon
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: opensource-dev-bounces at lists.secondlife.com
> > >> [mailto:opensource-dev-bounces at lists.secondlife.com] On Behalf Of
> > >> malachi at tamzap.com
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 2:23 PM
> > >> To: Marine Kelley
> > >> Cc: opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Unjust Banning of residents?
> > >>
> > >> I thought it was a phishing attempt as well. But the account has
> > > been
> > >> removed from second life. POOF. so unless some phisher has the
> > > ability
> > >> to terminate accounts this is as real as it gets.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:21:48 +0200, Marine Kelley wrote:
> > >> > Careful, it could be a phishing attempt. Do NOT click on any of
> > > the
> > >> > links inside this email (unless you're certain it comes from
> > > Linden
> > >> > Lab, but then again emails can be spoofed).
> > >> >
> > >> > On 16/08/2011, malachi at tamzap.com wrote:
> > >> >> exactly which is why this message is so disturbing. accounts
> > > have
> > >> >> been
> > >> >> terminated from second life for using a viewer not listed in the
> > >> >> directory.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "This email is notification that Linden Lab has terminated
> > >> >> your access to the Second Life virtual world due to severe
> > >> >> or repeated violations of the Second Life Terms of Service
> > >> >> or Community Standards. Your (account name 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx')
> > > and
> > >> >> alternate Second Life accounts have been
> > >> >> made permanently inaccessible."
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:33:39 -0400, Erin Mallory wrote:
> > >> >>> Last I checked there is no requirement to use an approved tvp.
> > > even
> > >> >>> on the tvp listing page. Looking at the policy and the
> > > directory
> > >> >>> pages, no where does it say that the viewer must be listed in
> > > the
> > >> >>> tvp...
> > >> >>> http://secondlife.com/corporate/tpv.php
> > >> >>> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Third_Party_Viewer_Directory
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> "You may connect to Second Life using software released by a
> > >> >>> third-party developer. Linden Lab provides a Policy on
> > > Third-Party
> > >> >>> Viewers [1] to promote a positive and predictable experience
> > > for
> > >> >>> all
> > >> >>> Second Life Residents."
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:23:21 -0700
> > >> >>>> From: malachi at tamzap.com
> > >> >>>> To: opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com
> > >> >>>> Subject: [opensource-dev] Unjust Banning of residents?
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Violation: Third Party Viewer Usage
> > >> >>>> You are connecting to the grid with a viewer that is not in
> > > the
> > >> >>> third
> > >> >>>> party viewer directory.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> However...
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> A viewer does not need to be on the Third Party Viewer
> > > Directory
> > >> >>>> in
> > >> >>>> order for development or usage of it to be compliant with the
> > >> >>>> Third
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> Party Viewer Policy (see Policy on Third-Party Viewers |
> > > Second
> > >> >>> Life)
> > >> >>>> and the Terms of Service. While I am sure you are well aware
> > > of
> > >> >>> this, it
> > >> >>>> can also be deduced through common sense that the open source
> > >> >>> program
> > >> >>>> (Snowstorm, Snowglobe, etc) would not be able to exist in an
> > >> >>> environment
> > >> >>>> where every personal compile had to be listed on the TPVD
> > > before
> > >> >>>> it
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> could even begin to undergo any form of live quality assurance
> > >> >>>> processes.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Long story short, unless there have been recent changes to the
> > >> >>> Terms of
> > >> >>>> Service that I am unaware of, or if there are relevant
> > > sections
> > >> >>> that I
> > >> >>>> have missed that indicate that a viewer that complies with the
> > >> >>> Third
> > >> >>>> Party Viewer Policy still must be in the Directory to be
> > >> >>> legitimately
> > >> >>>> used, I would request that you provide me with them.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> What this means is every single BETA tester for every client
> > > on
> > >> >>>> the
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> TPVD is at risk of losing their accounts because that compiled
> > >> >>> version
> > >> >>>> of that client is not listed on the TPVD. Each and every
> > > Developer
> > >> >>> who
> > >> >>>> has worked so hard to help Linden Lab build their Client into
> > > what
> > >> >>> it is
> > >> >>>> is at risk of losing their accounts because each time they
> > >> >>> recompile the
> > >> >>>> source it isn't listed in the TPVD and is now considered a
> > >> >>> Violation of
> > >> >>>> some hidden TOS clause.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> I am posting this to this forum because I wanted to get feed
> > > back
> > >> >>> from
> > >> >>>> the community. As I myself and a developer who has contributed
> > >> >>> patches
> > >> >>>> to various TPVD Clients and am now finding myself cautious to
> > > even
> > >> >>> use
> > >> >>>> these clients source codes to help them. I would like
> > >> >>>> clarification
> > >> >>> from
> > >> >>>> Linden Lab as well as other Developers on this new banning
> > > policy
> > >> >>> that
> > >> >>>> is requiring every compiled client that connects to second
> > > life to
> > >> >>> be
> > >> >>>> listed in the TPVD.
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> > >> >>> [1] http://secondlife.com/corporate/tpv.php
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