[sldev] Please take this thread off list -> ("But your IP wouldn't be safe")

[Rob Lanphier]

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On 7/10/07 9:08 AM, Chance Unknown wrote:
> since your target is SL, the people most argumentitive about privacy
> concerns are the bored lonely housewives that sit at home looking for
> cyber affairs. of course they want their identities masked. they dont
> get that kind of privay when looking for a hookup at myspace or facebook.
>  
> are there any demographics that places these particular consumers in
> the primary seat driving development? it has been demonstrated over
> the past number of years that the paying customers (private islands)
> dont tend to have influence over development, so why should an even
> smaller cluster of customers be the ones responsible for
> driving design goals?
>  
> On 7/10/07, *dale at daleglass.net <mailto:dale at daleglass.net>*
> <dale at daleglass.net <mailto:dale at daleglass.net>> wrote:
>
>     On Tue, Jul 10, 2007 at 03:08:44AM +0200, Nicholaz Beresford wrote:
>     > Ummm, I'm probably missing the point of this discussion completely,
>     > but what exactly do you think is this attacker doing with your
>     > your IP address?
>     DoS, for instance
>
>     > I mean what is he doing different from that
>     > which about 20+ people per hour aren't trying already through
>     > IP scan.
>     That on SL you can connect it to a name (even avatar name), and a
>     random
>     IP scan doesn't.
>
>     Think IRC -- Doing something nasty to another person's computer is
>     pretty common there, and people don't pick targets at random.
>
>     If Bob is on IRC, and Mallory hates him for some reason, and the IRC
>     server makes the IP addresses visible, then Mallory has all the
>     required
>     data to attack Bob specifically.
>
>     Now, DoS is illegal of course, but it doesn't mean it won't
>     happen, and
>     it's a fuzzy concept as well. You can perform a DoS without making it
>     really obvious it's an attack.
>
>     For instance, there are plenty people with very low upload speeds.
>     If you
>     find this person runs a webserver or some other service that it's
>     possible to download lots of data from, you don't even need to do
>     anything particularly malicious.
>
>     Just connect to the server, with maybe just 1-3 connections (to avoid
>     looking obviously evil), and start downloading. On many connections
>     that'll cause plenty lag.
>
>     They can take the server down, but if you managed that, that's a DoS
>     in itself.
>
>
>     IMO, in SL this is even more likely. On IRC it's just name, on SL
>     there
>     are multiple well known groups targeted by various morons, who are
>     identifiable by the way they look.
>
>     And since there even are people trying to bring the grid down, despite
>     LL's attempt at prosecution, I doubt legal threats are enough to
>     dissuade everybody.
>
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