[META] Re: [sldev] Viewer Source Release of RC-1.18.6.2
Mike Monkowski
monkowsk at watson.ibm.com
Thu Jan 3 09:46:16 PST 2008
Alissa,
I can understand your frustration, and I am aware of the generous
contributions that you have made toward improving the viewer, but from
an impartial viewpoint, this seems a bit harsh.
Yes, the version number changed, but there have been several notes
on how to get around the forced updates: edit the version number or
pick another channel name. (I guess somebody ought to put that out on
the Wiki)
I really doubt that anything else changed. I have no problem
running the viewer compiled from the 76116 source with the version
number changed to 76453.
Between December 29 and January 2, I would guess there were 0 work
days for most employees of Linden Lab. Actually there may have been 0
between December 22 and January 2. It's an important family-oriented
holiday time in the US.
As important as SecondLife may be, real life is always more
important. :-)
I agree with you that more transparency would improve the overall
productivity, but I imagine in the depths of
http://sljirastats.com/jira_search.php?search=30 there's not a lot of
time for most LL developers to think about actually improving the
process. We hope however, that a few are dedicated to that task.
I hope you continue your contributions to SL, Alissa.
Mike
Alissa Sabre wrote:
>>(1) The change was a single URL + release notes.
>
>
> Hmm. I have several things to say on this issue, but I'm skillless to
> say most of them politely in English. So just one point.
>
> My own WindLight viewer based on 76116 source with necessary URL
> change can't connect to the grid because of the version checking.
> It's natural. You surely changed version number as well as URL and
> release note. You just forgot mentioning it.
>
> But... what else? I knew you forgot telling at least one important
> thing. I was suspicious you also forgot one or two more things.
>
>
>>(2) We plan on pushing out 1.18.6.4 with sources tomorrow
>
>
> So you knew 1.18.6.4 is scheduled on January 3 when you announced
> availability of 1.18.6.3 on December 29.
>
> Why you didn't say it on December?
>
> Linden employees' past practice when an open source developer
> complained about the lack of future release schedules is to say
> something like "Release sechedule is managed by someone else in the
> company. I don't know it."
>
> I believe you are the first Linden employee who explicitly admitted
> that you knew the future release schedule at least six days in
> advance, had a very good chance to announce it, and kept that
> information from open source developpers. Hmm...
>
>
>>And the most practical reason...
>>
>>(3) I was feeling under the weather but happened to be on a street car
>>passing by the Linden offices with my family when I got a call about the
>>exploit. I hopped off the street car, came in to do the viewer builds
>>and push them live, and caught up with my family at home (several hours
>>later) and crawled into bed.
>
>
> I'm really puzzled why you disclosed this private thing to the
> public. Did you cried on open source developpers' shoulders?
>
> LL is a company that runs an online service. LL also says it is not
> just fun but is a serious business infrastructure. I don't know your
> responsibility in the company, but general understainding is that
> whatever your position is, working for such a company means there are
> chances you need to give up your private life on emergency situation.
> I believe that's why you did the release of 1.18.6.2 on the day under
> the said situation. That's totally fine. Thank you for doing it.
>
> Problem is that you just took care of binary distribution only and
> kept open source developers out of scenes.
>
> Well, some private story on my side, then. I'm not earning money for
> SL development. I'm just a sunday programmer. Literally I am. I
> have almost no time on writing code on weekdays. So, holiday season
> is the best timing to work on some big project. I planned something
> on WindLight viewer on this holidays. Note that in Japan it comes
> slightly late than US. It's typically Dec. 29 - Jan. 3... And this
> sudden 1.18.6.3 (or more specifically FL 76453) mandatory update hit
> this timing. I was so disappointed with it, and lost all my
> motivation working on viewer changes...
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