[sldev] Your Feedback Wanted on Search Flagging !

Bj Raz whitequill.bj at gmail.com
Sat May 3 22:46:04 PDT 2008


I can see where Darien Caldwell is coming from about RL vs avatars.  If one
person owns 5 SL accounts and thus decides to abuse the system thus, you can
get bad data because the person is spamming on not one account (cause you
can't) but because they logged onto all five of there accounts and with all
of the five different User names, voted something up or down, if griefing is
done by telling others to logon to each of there accounts, then you could be
getting VERY bad data because the greifers are all logging on to each of
there 5 accounts and telling there friends (who are griefers) to do the
same, thus manipulating the system.

This is a class RED scenario, how do you see preventing this?

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Darien Caldwell <darien_caldwell at comcast.net>
wrote:

>  Thanks for the clarification. One Important restriction I can think of is
> to not let someone's alts also flag the same listing. If you are excluding
> basic accounts, there should be the ability to tell if more than one avatar
> is owned by the same person.  I noticed you said flagging is restricted on
> an account basis, does that mean per avatar, or per actual Real Life
> Individual? The distinction is relevant. :)
>
> Also, there is a thread I started in the SL forums on this here:
> http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=256710  If you feel brave
> stop in, it's quite constructive.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jeska Dzwigalski <jeska at lindenlab.com>
> *To:* sldev at lists.secondlife.com
> *Cc:* kalpana at lindenlab.com
> *Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 5:08 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [sldev] Your Feedback Wanted on Search Flagging !
>
> Heya,
>
> Thanks for all the great thoughts everyone, very helpful!  I wanted to
> clarify that the Search Flagging described is for search listings -- not
> inworld content, avatar or group profiles, land sales etc. - it is ONLY for
> parcel listings, classified ads and events listings. Also, for those who are
> concerned about abuse/griefing, here is some more detail on the proposed
> design:
>
> * If a listing is flagged as "Mature" by x Residents and is not marked
> Mature, it will be automatically changed to Mature - it will not be removed.
> Totally agree that more clarity is needed around what is "mature" (and
> "prohibited") I will take that back to the Governance Team as feedback.
> * If a listing is flagged as "Prohibited" by x Residents, it will be
> automatically taken down and reviewed by the Governance team. Prohibited
> listings might include listings for gambling or child pornography.
> * Not all accounts are able to flag search listings, anonymous basic
> Residents or Residents who are under x days old will not be able to
> participate in search flagging.
> * Each account which can flag is only able do so once per search listing
> and there is a limit to the amount of search listings each account can flag
> per day.
> * One account flagging a listing will NOT cause it to be automatically
> removed
> * Nominate for Showcase is that exactly - a nomination for review by an
> editorial board for possible inclusion.
> * Any classified ads that are taken down will be refunded (prorated for
> time active), with notification
>
> Are there any other restrictions to who can flag or when/how/etc anyone
> can think of to help both prevent overt abuse while still helping stem
> grievous abuse of search listings (see: current Event Calendar spam as one
> example)?
>
> Cheers,
> Jeska
>
>
>
> Innes McLeod wrote:
>
> I have some reservations about this system. It seems to me that, as has
> been mentioned, it can be abused to harass. To prevent it's use as
> harassment, you will have to add load to the database to record where every
> vote came from. The same will apply to the Showcase nominations. I can
> foresee hundreds of alts being created just for the sole purpose of voting
> up a single business.
>
> As it stands even with that system, if I see something that I feel is a
> serious offense I would still send a normal AR, instead of waiting for
> enough people to notice and hopefully cast their votes for the removal of
> the offending content. Generally, I only report for very obvious hate
> speech, or child related sexual material, and in my opinion both of those
> are to important to just have them sit waiting for enough votes.
>
> Something I would rather see would be an expansion of the categories that
> products or parcels can be listed under.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Jeska Dzwigalski <jeska at lindenlab.com>
> *To:* sldev at lists.secondlife.com
> *Sent:* Friday, May 02, 2008 12:35 PM
> *Subject:* [sldev] Your Feedback Wanted on Search Flagging !
>
> Hello!
>
> You've been asking us to do better with inappropriate content and content
> classification and we've been listening. In an effort to make our abuse
> reporting system easier to access and more effective, we are planning to
> introduce a flagging system for our search results - and we'd love to get
> your feedback.
>
> The new flagging system will help Residents to flag inappropriate postings
> for rapid removal, while preserving everyone's ability to express themselves
> freely in world.
>
> *How it will work*
>
>    - First, when you post a classified, group, event or parcel listing,
>    you will have to self-declare if your content is mature or not.
>    - Second, every listing will have a "Flag This" link. You can use
>    this to report inappropriate or mis-classified content or nominate great
>    content for the showcase.
>
> *Flag Categories*
>
>    - Mature - *the listing is adult only content*
>    - Prohibited - *the listing contains content that is prohibited on
>    SL*
>    - Spam - *irrelevant listings (examples: commercial posts in
>    non-commercial venues, event postings for non-events)*
>    - Showcase - *nominate something for possible inclusion in the
>    Second Life Showcase* (http://secondlife.com/showcase)
>
> *[All listings will still have to follow the Community Standards<http://secondlife.com/corporate/cs.php>and Terms
> of Service <http://secondlife.com/corporate/tos.php>.]*
>
> *Types of listings that can be flagged*
>
>    - Parcel listings
>    - Classifieds
>    - Events
>    - You will not be able to flag avatar or group profiles
>
> *What happens when something is flagged*
>
>    - Every flag counts as one vote for that flag category. While one
>    (or few) votes does nothing, if a listing receives enough votes in that
>    category, it will be auto-classified as reported.
>    - Prohibited and spam content will be taken down immediately when it
>    gets enough votes
>    - When content is flagged several times, the content owner will be
>    notified by SL support team and may be penalized according to Community
>    Standards <http://secondlife.com/corporate/cs.php>
>
> *Anything else?*
>
>    - Residents will be allowed to flag a particular search listing only
>    once. You cannot change your vote, so flag with care
>    - There will be a limit to how many times a day a Resident can flag
>    search listings
>    - Anonymous basic residents or residents whose accounts are less
>    than x days old will not be able to flag content
>    - Residents will still be able to report abusive content from
>    inworld via the Abuse Reporting system under the Help menu
>    - Of course, no system can be perfect, so if you think something was
>    flagged in error, you can always file a support ticket for review
>
> Thats it. We hope that this will make content flagging more effective and
> will help the community better regulate what is appropriate and what is not.
>
> Please reply to this email with your thoughts and feedback on this
> proposed design!
>
> Cheers,
> Jeska, Kalpana and the LL Search Team
>
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