[sldev] Please help testing the SL Viewer with integrated universal translation

Tigro Spottystripes tigrospottystripes at gmail.com
Thu Feb 26 08:39:46 PST 2009


I believe usually language learning gets harder with age

Mike Monkowski escreveu:
> Henri Beauchamp wrote:
>>>> Automatic translators are utterly useless and totally unable to
>>>> translate
>>>> properly from simple languages such as English into more complex
>>>> and subtle
>>>> languages such as French, German, Chinese, Japanese...
> ...
>> You can say and explain very complex things, even with "simple"
>> languages,
>> but I assure you that English is incredibly simpler than French or
>> German
>> (since I did learn all three, I know what I am speaking about).
>> The grammar is incredibly much simpler in English, and the vocabulary is
>> simpler too. For example, you can translate "to get" in at least 30
>> different verbs in French. or "power" into two different names (these
>> are
>> just two examples out of my head, but cases are countless).
>> Fact is that at school (some 4 decades ago), I just needed a couple of
>> months to learn the basis of English, while even after three years, I
>> could never express myself as fluently in German (and since forgot
>> pretty much everything I was taught in this language). That's also
>> one of
>> the reasons why English is so successful as an international "common"
>> language: it's easier to learn and use than most (if not all) other
>> languages.
>
> Perhaps it's just that speakers of English are more tolerant of
> mistakes than are Francophones.  Although your English is not bad,
> "incredibly much simpler" is not good English. One translates "into"
> not "in".  You meant "nouns", not "names".  "Out of my head" means
> lost emotional control.  I assume you meant "off the top of my head". 
> That's "basics", not "basis".  It should be "have since forgotten",
> not "since forgot".
>
> I have been trying to learn French for decades.  The problem I have is
> that the only places I can hear it spoken is on my XM radio and on
> rented videos.
>
> From my experience, Chinese grammar is less complex than English
> grammar; Spanish phonetics are more consistent than any of the
> languages you list above; and three and four year old children are
> amazingly adept at learning any language.
>
> :-)
>
> Mike
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