[sldev] RE SnowGlobe and copybots
Kakurady Drakenar
kakurady at gmail.com
Mon Sep 14 04:43:25 PDT 2009
Excuse me? For the content to be displayed on the client computer, it
has to be downloaded and decoded. Any obscfucation can only delay itself
from being bypassed and cannot stand forever. DRM is defective by design
- you can't have the consumer to hold the lock and the key and trust
(some of) him not figure out a way to open the lock with the key, not
when he have an incentive to do so.
TLDR: It's not a hole, it's a design choice.
Kakurady / Geneko Nemeth
于 2009/9/11 7:49, Bill Windwalker 写道:
> If the hole had not been there for so long as it was this will not
> have happen in the first place.
> It is only by people putting off some thing for so long till the
> problem has gotten so big to be seen by so many.
> If one thinks by not telling some one that they are nude and walk on
> the street that no others will see this then they are wrong.
> And what if it was some other company hoping this will have happen?
> is it not best to bring it out in the open befor more or even bigger
> problems happen?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Nexii Malthus <nexiim at googlemail.com>
> *To:* Bill Windwalker <billwindwalker at rocketmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2009 6:54:57 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [sldev] RE SnowGlobe and copybots
>
> And don't you realize your providing enormous fuel to the people who
> thrive on panic? As well as fuelling scam business selling out on the
> panic with anti-copybots that never worked?
>
> - Nexii
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Bill Windwalker
> <billwindwalker at rocketmail.com <mailto:billwindwalker at rocketmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> so do you feel its ok for people to copy your AV ?
> skin , hair and every thing you have ?
> is this what you are telling people ?
> and watching them copy linden lab builds what ever they wish to copy ?
> and think of all the people with xstreet magic box that may have
> been copy.
> and all this content taken and moved off LL server to what ?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Nexii Malthus <nexiim at googlemail.com
> <mailto:nexiim at googlemail.com>>
> *To:* Bill Windwalker <billwindwalker at rocketmail.com
> <mailto:billwindwalker at rocketmail.com>>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2009 2:45:56 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [sldev] RE SnowGlobe and copybots
>
> Panic has done more damage than copybots really have done.
>
> That's all.
>
> - Nexii
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Bill Windwalker
> <billwindwalker at rocketmail.com
> <mailto:billwindwalker at rocketmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Well it was more then just shoes they taken for they was doing
> copybot of the LL Build in korea1 and that build was by the
> Linden Lab people them self.
> What was the rule about copying assets that belong to Linden
> Lab and what if they upload it from the Linden Lab computer
> some place on to another companys computer system just to
> mirror SL and every thing in SL just to sale it later on to a
> bigger company?
> what is the over all lost then ?
> can it be put in numbers ?
> xstorm Radek
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> *From:* Ann Otoole <missannotoole at yahoo.com
> <mailto:missannotoole at yahoo.com>>
> *To:* sldev at lists.secondlife.com
> <mailto:sldev at lists.secondlife.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 1, 2009 10:50:46 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [sldev] SnowGlobe and copybots
>
> I watched someone using cryolife cruise around in my parcel
> this morning where that account was banned so honestly I think
> LL has much bigger fish to fry. Stealing a pair of eshoes is
> nothing compared to the access control system being
> compromised. Yes there is a pjira defect open on it.
> http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4632
>
> Honestly it is looking like the only solution is a bot that
> teleports home anyone not using an LL compiled viewer. And
> that still won't get them all. But if it is deployed to most
> of Second Lifethen it might send a clear message to Linden Lab
> they need to deal with the problem. Or will LL begin banning
> people for defending themselves from these hacked third party
> viewers? Is it against the TOS to deny access to non LL
> compiled viewers?
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* nyx linden <nyx at lindenlab.com <mailto:nyx at lindenlab.com>>
> *To:* Ron Festa <overdrive at dceo.rutgers.edu
> <mailto:overdrive at dceo.rutgers.edu>>
> *Cc:* sldev at lists.secondlife.com
> <mailto:sldev at lists.secondlife.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2009 1:52:35 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [sldev] SnowGlobe and copybots
>
> Additionally, the technique to stop malicious clients from
> stealing
> your clothing textures (namely, only sending out baked but not
> local
> texture data) will be in the main client in the next major
> release, as
> part of a larger avatar overhaul. The reasons for this extend
> beyond
> content theft, but stopping this is a major benefit to this
> switch in
> protocol.
>
> Combating griefing attacks and content theft is not an
> easy task,
> but we are taking steps to minimize the potential for abuse,
> and we try
> to have systems in place for what to do when it does occur
> (including
> dealing with the specific instance of abuse as well as looking
> for ways
> to prevent future issues). We're always looking for ways of
> making the
> client secure, and welcome feedback and ideas to help us move
> in this
> direction.
>
> -Nyx
>
> Ron Festa wrote:
> > While its true they can modify the opensource code to turn a
> client
> > into a copybot, as far as I know there really hasn't been
> any known
> > copybot viewers that have popped up because there's no code
> in the LL
> > viewer that allows asset copying. Majority of copybots are
> really
> > modded poorly written legit bots. While there is a really
> obscure
> > patch that's floating around griefer circles, most griefers
> are not
> > programmers. Most do not know how to inject and maintain
> custom code
> > into the source code then compile it with every version.
> >
> > But, thanks to the open source viewers floating around you
> also have
> > an amount of protection from griefers you can't get in the
> LL viewer.
> > Viewers like Meerkat & Emerald make it impossible for them
> to steel
> > your clothing and provides additional tools that would
> prevent them
> > from attacking your or removing them from your property
> before they
> > become a problem. Plus they have a bunch of fun stuff in
> them that
> > just make your life easier in SL.
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:15 AM, Bill
> > Windwalker<billwindwalker at rocketmail.com
> <mailto:billwindwalker at rocketmail.com>
> > <mailto:billwindwalker at rocketmail.com
> <mailto:billwindwalker at rocketmail.com>>> wrote:
> > > Good day every one.
> > > Yesterday i was a victim of a copybot and a group of griefers.
> > > this type of bullying and theft of content needs to stop
> they are
> > making a
> > > joke out of all the hard work people do in SL.
> > > As i sat and talk to a friend a griefer had taken only a
> sec to copy
> > my AV
> > > and every thing i had on in a sec and did it to the very
> sim i was in.
> > > And what they did say in voice made it sound like linden
> lab had no
> > power to
> > > stop any griefer.
> > > i even have screen shots of this attack.
> > > what im told is they can do it with open source viewers .
> > >
> > >
> > >
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