[opensource-dev] SNOW-375 Binary Package Available

Morgaine morgaine.dinova at googlemail.com
Mon Apr 5 21:38:06 PDT 2010


Dzonatas, I still want to know what your TPV is called, to assist our
discussion.

You are distributing a TPV made by patching Snowglobe sources with the
SNOW-375 patch.  The archive you are distributing unpacks as
"Snowglobe-i686-1.4.0.0", but I rather doubt that you have permission to be
distributing a viewer by that name.

Seeing as Lindens have stopped even the word "Life" being used in viewer
names, it seems probable that they will stop the word "Snowglobe" being used
by others as well.  We need to know.

But we won't know until Merov or some other Linden tells us.


Morgaine.





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On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Dzonatas Sol <dzonatas at gmail.com> wrote:

> Please note from the jira: "The purpose of this jira is to help further the
> process to bring the patch to release quality." At that time, it may be
> desirable to commit it to Snowglobe. Until then, the patch is offered for
> community development (not as some conspiracy theory to bypass TPV).
>
> If you would like to vote or comment on the patch, please do so here:
> https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-375
>
> Morgaine, can you keep this thread to discussion about "SNOW-375". Joe
> Linden already made a specific request (in AWG chat) in response to TPV
> clarification, so if you have issues with the TPV then this thread is not
> the place to fulfill his request.
>
> Morgaine wrote:
>
>> While that may be his intention, you can't make a new Snowglobe by placing
>> a patch in Jira, applying the patch to Snowglobe sources, and then
>> distributing the resulting viewer as if it were a new version of Snowglobe,
>> exempt from being a TPV.
>>
>> If that were possible then everyone would do likewise with their own
>> patches in order not to be caught by the TPV policy.
>>
>> So until SNOW-375 is committed into Snowglobe, Dzon is releasing a new
>> viewer that is not Snowglobe, and it's clearly a TPV so it needs a name,
>> which is why I asked what that name was.
>>
>> I expect that Linden Lab would not take kindly to such TPV clients derived
>> from Snowglobe being called "Snowglobe-XXX" as a way of bypassing the TPV
>> policy.� Perhaps Merov could comment.
>>
>>
>> Morgaine.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> =================================
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Michael Dickson <mike.dickson at hp.com<mailto:
>> mike.dickson at hp.com>> wrote:
>>
>>    Actually his intention could be to contribute the patches *to*
>>    snowglobe
>>    in which case it's not a new TPV and a very reasonable example of
>>    cooperation with a company sponsored open source project.
>>
>>    That's actually very likely his intention since the patches *ARE*
>>    SNOW-375 and not MY_TPV-375 or somesuch.
>>
>>    Mike
>>
>>    On Mon, 2010-04-05 at 17:41 +0000, Morgaine wrote:
>>    > Nope, client-side scripting and an HTTP/REST server are not in
>>    > Snowglobe. �Your patch SNOW-375 when applied to Snowglobe sources
>>    > created a derived work from Snowglobe. �The derived viewer is
>>    clearly
>>    > a TPV.
>>    >
>>    > This is why I am asking you what this new TPV is called, since it is
>>    > not Snowglobe but only based on it.
>>    >
>>    >
>>    > Morgaine.
>>    >
>>    >
>>    >
>>    >
>>    >
>>    > ===============================
>>    >
>>    > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Dzonatas Sol <dzonatas at gmail.com
>>    <mailto:dzonatas at gmail.com>>
>>    > wrote:
>>    > � � � � Has client-side scripting and an HTTP/REST server been
>>
>>    offered
>>    > � � � � in Snowglobe before patch SNOW-375? I'm not sure how you are
>>    > � � � � able to determine such features as "derived" from Snowglobe.
>>    >
>>    >
>>    > � � � � The SNOW-375 patch
>>    > � � � � Morgaine wrote:
>>    > � � � � � � � � That sounds pretty interesting, Dzonatas.
>>    >
>>    > � � � � � � � � What is your viewer called, this TPV derived from
>>    > � � � � � � � � Snowglobe with an extra patch?
>>    >
>>    >
>>    > � � � � � � � � Morgaine.
>>    >
>>    >
>>    >
>>    >
>>    >
>>    > � � � � � � � � =========================================
>>    >
>>    >
>>    > � � � � � � � � On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Dzonatas Sol
>>    > � � � � � � � � <dzonatas at gmail.com <mailto:dzonatas at gmail.com>
>>    <mailto:dzonatas at gmail.com <mailto:dzonatas at gmail.com>>>
>>
>>    > � � � � � � � � wrote:
>>    >
>>    > � � � � � � � � � �This is a build of Snowglobe with SNOW-375 patch
>>    > � � � � � � � � applied. This patch
>>    > � � � � � � � � � �provides a HTTP/REST interface to control and
>>    > � � � � � � � � automate the Snowglobe
>>    > � � � � � � � � � �viewer. Client-side scripts and programs can then
>>    > � � � � � � � � add features like
>>    > � � � � � � � � � �accessibility functions, automated regression
>>    > � � � � � � � � tests, detached editors,
>>    > � � � � � � � � � �separate chat windows, inventory organizers, and
>>    > � � � � � � � � more.
>>    >
>>    > � � � � � � � � � �Linux:
>>    >
>>    > � � � � � � � �
>>>> http://mono.dzonux.net/file/Snowglobe375/Snowglobe-i686-1.4-375.tar.bz2
>>    >
>>    > � � � � � � � �
>>    �<
>> http://viewerdirectory.secondlife.com/listing/download/137/3/binary/aHR0cDovL21vbm8uZHpvbnV4Lm5ldC9maWxlL1Nub3dnbG9iZTM3NS9Tbm93Z2xvYmUtaTY4Ni0xLjQtMzc1LnRhci5iejI%3D
>> >
>>    >
>>    > � � � � � � � � � �Source:
>>    > � � � � � � � � http://gitweb.dzonux.net/?p=snowglobe-1.4-375.git
>>    >
>>    > � � � � � � � �
>>    �<
>> http://viewerdirectory.secondlife.com/listing/download/137/3/source/aHR0cDovL2dpdHdlYi5kem9udXgubmV0Lz9wPXNub3dnbG9iZS0xLjQtMzc1LmdpdA%3D%3D
>> >
>>    >
>>    > � � � � � � � � � �See Also:
>>    > � � � � � � � � https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-375
>>    >
>>    > � � � � � � � � � �----
>>    >
>>    > � � � � � � � � � �You can experience how such an HTTP/REST
>>    interface
>>    > � � � � � � � � performs with
>>    > � � � � � � � � � �Icesphere, which was the project formerly
>>    known as
>>    > � � � � � � � � MonoVida Studio and
>>    > � � � � � � � � � �MonoVida Communicator.Icesphere interfaces with
>>    > � � � � � � � � Snowglobe-375 to
>>    > � � � � � � � � � �present
>>    > � � � � � � � � � �detached communications and client-side scripting
>>    > � � � � � � � � via C#/Mono/.NET.
>>    >
>>    >
>>    > � � � � � � � �
>>http://mono.dzonux.net/file/Snowglobe375/communicator.zip
>>    >
>>    > � � � � � � � � � �Note: name change not due to pun on grid
>>    monkeys =)
>>    >
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