[opensource-dev] SNOW-375 Binary Package Available

Morgaine morgaine.dinova at googlemail.com
Mon Apr 5 22:26:32 PDT 2010

Thanks Merov!  That cleared up a lot of confusion.

Could you please check the word "*and*" in your following paragraph?

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Philippe (Merov) Bossut <merov at lindenlab.com
> wrote:

> - Distributing Binaries: That indeed creates a TPV and TPV Policy will
> apply if the viewer plans to connect to the SL grid *and* be listed in the
> viewer directory.
The TPV doc says that it applies to all third party clients that connect to
SL, whether or not they are listed in the TPV directory.  Your word "*and*"
(if used as programmers use it) would mean that both conditions need to be
true, which is probably not what you meant.

If both conditions need to be true then any viewer not listed in the
directory would be exempt from the TPV, which I believe was not your
intention.  (The word "plan" is also not used in the TPV.)

A small clarification of that would be very useful, since it would have a
major impact.



On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Philippe (Merov) Bossut <merov at lindenlab.com
> wrote:

> Hi,
> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Morgaine <morgaine.dinova at googlemail.com>wrote:
>> While that may be his intention, you can't make a new Snowglobe by placing
>> a patch in Jira, applying the patch to Snowglobe sources, and then
>> distributing the resulting viewer as if it were a new version of Snowglobe,
>> exempt from being a TPV.
>> If that were possible then everyone would do likewise with their own
>> patches in order not to be caught by the TPV policy.
>> So until SNOW-375 is committed into Snowglobe, Dzon is releasing a new
>> viewer that is not Snowglobe, and it's clearly a TPV so it needs a name,
>> which is why I asked what that name was.
>> I expect that Linden Lab would not take kindly to such TPV clients derived
>> from Snowglobe being called "Snowglobe-XXX" as a way of bypassing the TPV
>> policy.  Perhaps Merov could comment.
> I'll try to answer that case to the best of my understanding:
> - Commit of SNOW-375 in Snowglobe: This is a big patch and, since we don't
> have a CLA for Dzonatas on file, it can't be integrated as long as that's
> not cleared. Note that, to the best of my knowledge, such CLA are asked for
> contributions to most FLOSS projects. In the meantime, anyone can certainly
> apply Dzon's patch and build a viewer. As long as you do it for yourself,
> there's no problem with this.
> - Distributing Binaries: That indeed creates a TPV and TPV Policy will
> apply if the viewer plans to connect to the SL grid and be listed in the
> viewer directory.
> - Snowglobe Trademark: This is still an on going issue. In
> https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-153, Robla added the following
> comment:
> """
> We still plan to protect this logo under trademark law. We haven't
> announced a specific policy around this, but we're looking at the Fedora and
> Firefox logos for examples of the tradeoffs. We don't want to have is
> someone offering a trojan-horse laden viewer under the Snowglobe name
> bearing this logo, and we want to make sure we've got the legal right to
> stop that activity.
> """
> I don't have details on where we stand legally on the trademark application
> right now. In the meantime, using "Snowglobe-XXX" is unlikely to raise
> issues. Using something really different though is likely safer. Which
> brings us to...
> - Easy Packaging of TPV : This is actually the objective of the proposed
> "BINDIST --- easy way to produce legally distributable binary packages"
> https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SNOW-495 : I've been working on this in
> the background and plan to get something together shortly. I already
> identified all applicable patches so I'm not too far off producing a script
> doing this.
> Cheers,
> - Merov
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