[opensource-dev] Requesting Linden Response: Please move TPVPTopics to a different mailing list

Tigro Spottystripes tigrospottystripes at gmail.com
Thu Apr 15 13:31:56 PDT 2010

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I don't think developers are gonna be happy with LL threatening to kill
their accounts and bring them to court because of their non-SL related

IMO, LL should restrict their rules to only stuff done by connecting to
their machines; so only actual users would be affected, and only for
things users do while using LL's services. LL should not sue pencil
makers because someone was stabbed with a pencil in their office.

IMO the TPVp doesn't need to exist, and shouldn't. The TOS already had
all the rules regarding unauthorized copying, misuse of LL's services
etc, and in many cases, real world laws already existed to take care of
things, the TOS didn't even have to mention the unlawful activities.

For most things, LL should just have a friendly reminder for people to
not break the law, and of course, LL should cooperate with law
enforcement etc, and obey the laws themselves too of course.

I know SL isn't a site (contrary to what many bloggers and even
professional reporters seem to think), but i haven't heard of any site
that offers some service that has their terms of service restricting
which browsers users can use, much less try to blame browser makers for
actions done by users.

Summing up, forget thinking of things in terms of viewers, and forget
developers, deal with users and their actions, and with the law.

On 15/4/2010 17:09, Discrete Dreamscape wrote:
> Devs for other grids that don't need to agree to LL's policy probably
> wouldn't have anything to worry about at all, especially if they
> included EULAs with the right terms. As for residents, I wouldn't say
> their account becomes 'unsafe.' However, my (emphasis on my)
> interpretation of the policy is that you would be "responsible" (read:
> liable) to LL for the results of your code.
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Tigro Spottystripes
> <tigrospottystripes at gmail.com <mailto:tigrospottystripes at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Why developers for other grids would need to do any changes on their
> code? And why can't a SL resident develop clients for other grids while
> keeping their SL accounts safe without being forced to jump thru hoops?
> On 15/4/2010 17:00, Discrete Dreamscape wrote:
>> I would assume that, to be more detailed, your code would either not
>> allow connections to the LL grid, or you would have to decline the
>> updated ToS/TPVp, thus not agreeing to be bound to it but also
>> preventing you from using the LL grid yourself.
>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Tigro Spottystripes
>> <tigrospottystripes at gmail.com
> <mailto:tigrospottystripes at gmail.com>
> <mailto:tigrospottystripes at gmail.com
> <mailto:tigrospottystripes at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>> So any developer not willing to abide by the TPVp can simply say their
>> viewer is not meant for LL's grid and that is it?
>> On 15/4/2010 16:54, VR Hacks wrote:
>>> Tigro wrote:
>>>> What if the developer develops a viewer for other grids?
>>> Then the TPV policy does not apply to them. Though, again, and
>> imo, it would
>>> still be prudent for them to include a EULA with their binary
>> distribution.
>>> And, of course, if their code is extending GPL code, they must
>> retain said
>>> GPL with the souce code distribution.
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