[opensource-dev] Third party viewer policy

Gareth Nelson gareth at garethnelson.com
Thu Feb 25 06:29:25 PST 2010


I can confirm that my installation of libomv's TestClient still
connects fine - version 0.6.3

On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Gareth Nelson <gareth at garethnelson.com> wrote:
> I wonder what the official LL response would be if you gave a randomly
> generated MAC in these situations, or some kind of hash from other
> aspects of the hardware -any lindens wish to comment?
>
> The other thing of course is defining what "this computer" means for
> those of us who like to fiddle with our hardware. Personally i'm often
> swapping components out of my desktop including harddrives and
> ethernet cards.
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Henri Beauchamp <sldev at free.fr> wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 05:49:01 -0600, Argent Stonecutter wrote:
>>
>>> On 2010-02-23, at 15:43, Robin Cornelius wrote:
>>> > Also any one using mono with libomv has an issue as that cannot get
>>> > the adaptor mac address and passes a NULL mac address, in the past LL
>>> > have allowed a null mac address as they knew of this problem, clearly
>>> > now though thats a breach of 2c part i.
>>>
>>> Not to mention that any device using SLIP or PPP, (and probably other
>>> point-to-point protocols that don't require an address at the physical
>>> layer) may not have a MAC address or ANY analogous hardware layer
>>> address (even a PSTN). TCP/IP does not imply Ethernet.
>>>
>>> Admittedly this is not likely to be a common scenario, but the whole
>>> idea that a MAC address is a unique identifier for a device is based
>>> on a deep-seated confusion about the network stack.
>>
>> And today, LL seems to have pulled the plug off already for clients not
>> prociding the MAC address on connection. Here is a copy of the ticket I
>> just opened (I propose that everyone on this list using a text client
>> opens the same kind of ticket):
>>
>> Summary: I cannot login any more using Mono-based, text only clients
>>
>> Details:
>>
>> Today I cannot connect any more when using text only "viewers" (clients)
>> which are written in C# (Mono), such as OMV-light and Radegast.
>>
>> I get the following error:
>> "Second Life cannot be accessed from this computer."
>> but I can still connect from the same computer using either an official
>> or full fledged third parties viewer.
>>
>> I therefore deduce, that you just disallowed the connection for clients
>> not transmitting the MAC address of the Ethernet card the viewers are
>> connected through (Mono/C# won't allow to retrieve such info).
>> While LL has the right to change their policy about which client can
>> connect or not to their service, I think it would be only normal to let
>> a reasonable amount of time for the developers of third parties
>> viewers/clients to adapt their software and make it compliant before such
>> a policy is enforced.
>>
>> Seeing how the TPV policy was published only a couple of days ago, I don't
>> see how OMV-light and Radegast developers could adapt fast enough !
>>
>> Please note also that not all network interfaces got a MAC address (for
>> example, an USB ADSL MODEM could or could not have such an address,
>> depending entirely on its driver, and PPP links via MODEMs don't have a
>> MAC address either), so basically, you are denying connection to SL to
>> any resident not using a Ethernet card to connect to Internet !...
>> This is pretty unreasonable too...
>>
>> Please, allow again the connection via text only clients (the only way to
>> stay in contact all day long with your customers without having to run a
>> viewer which eats up half of your memory and CPU power !).
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