[opensource-dev] Third party viewer policy: commencement date

[Boy Lane]

Exactly, not only quote them but read the entire policy. Restrictions are put on third-party viewers and their developers that are incompatible with GPL and as such are violating the GPL licensing. Which by itself is a requirement of the TPV to be compliant with. Chicken and egg :). Did LL really paid lawyers for this (which they supposedly hired)? 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Harleen Gretzky 
  To: Boy Lane 
  Cc: Tayra Dagostino ; opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:19 AM
  Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Third party viewer policy: commencement date


  They way I read it both these "violations" are specific to LL and their service if you quote them entirely;

  "You assume all risks, expenses, and defects of any Third-Party Viewers that you use, develop, or distribute. Linden Lab shall not be responsible or liable for any Third-Party Viewers."
  "You acknowledge and agree that we may require you to stop using or distributing a Third-Party Viewer for accessing Second Life if we determine that there is a violation."


  On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Boy Lane <boy.lane at yahoo.com> wrote:

    Tayra, in all respect, but you need to read the policy before posting a
    comment about it.

    There are at least 2 major violations against GPL in TPV, independent if I
    want to develop or use any 3rd party viewer to connect to SecondLife or not.
    And I pointed them out in my previous mail.


    "You [the developer] assume all risks, expenses, and defects of any
    Third-Party Viewers that you use, develop, or distribute"
    "You [the developer] acknowledge and agree that we may require you to stop
    using or distributing a Third-Party Viewer"



    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Tayra Dagostino" <tayra.dagostino at gmail.com>
    To: "Boy Lane" <boy.lane at yahoo.com>
    Cc: <opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com>

    Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 11:28 PM
    Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Third party viewer policy: commencement date



    > On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:05:29 +0800
    > "Boy Lane" <boy.lane at yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    >> Again, I completely agree with you. I can develop any viewer based on
    >> the Linden sources and be GPL compliant.
    >>
    >> But, what I can not do it is to be compliant to GPL and TPV the same
    >> time. As such the otherwise legitimate GPL
    >> viewer will not be allowed to connect to the SecondLife grid. Which
    >> makes the first attempt pointless.
    >
    > no.....
    >
    > you are a developer? you follow GPL and no other, nobody force you in
    > other way
    >
    > you want your viewer listed in viewer directory of LL? your viewer
    > should follow some rules
    >
    > the two sides must be masjed with a AND operator, you are putting TPV
    > before GPL, is the opposite. TPV don't limit neither restrict neither
    > violate GPL, why TPV is a bundle of rules about LL services.
    >
    > example: ICEWEASEL is gpl, but http stack follow IEEE standards, so
    > Iceweasel broke GPL?
    >
    > you can develop your virewer looking only GPL, TPV don't touch your
    > source code modification or ownership, TPV is "whatever" connecting LL
    > grid, GPL or not.
    >
    > i don't understand your poiting against TPV vs GPL, is a unusefull and
    > stupid battle like Cherry vs Potato...
    >
    > in which way your GPL capabilities should be broken if you complain to
    > TPV? if a name restriction disallow your product to connect to LL grid
    > mean GPL is broken? no, GPL still valid, your viewwer will connect
    > other grids, you are totally free


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