[opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar

[Maya Remblai]

I'm not going to bother trying to educate you about photosensitivity 
since you clearly don't have it. I'll just suggest you go read the SLU 
forums and elsewhere, where people with epilepsy and other 
photosensitvity problems are talking about this. And also suggest you 
take note of the epilepsy support groups in SL. Maybe even read 
Wikipedia's photosensitivity articles. Companies can and do get sued 
over stuff like this, because people with epilepsy and photosensitivity 
can and do watch TV, use computers, and play video games, whether you 
think they do or not.

And FYI, LL didn't pay attention to the alpha testers who said they 
didn't like 2.0. They didn't pay attention to the people who said they 
didn't like it in the beta. I suspect they'll pay attention to a 
lawsuit, but I'd rather it not come to that, therefore I and many other 
people are pointing out the ethical and legal problems. Don't attack me 
for someone else's mistake.

Maya

Jonathan Irvin wrote:
> Not to be rude, but if people are getting vertigo, epilepsy, etc. from 
> SL...viewer 2.0 isn't going to make a difference.  Viewer 1.23 would 
> have the same effect.  Maybe not in your coveted sidebar, but it SL in 
> general.  You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.  This is common 
> knowledge.  LCD monitors nowadays will cause those effects 
> *regardless* of the application running, so please don't make someone 
> else's illness as your point in voicing your opinions.
>
> Keep this in mind, your post accomplishes *nothing*.  Do you really 
> think Linden Labs wants to waste company money on replying to 
> complaints of your calibre?  They already know, trust me.  Linden Labs 
> is a small company and you can't expect them to reply to every single 
> Tom, Dick, and Harriet that wants to complain about this feature or 
> that feature.
>
> OpenSource-Dev is about fixing issues, not complaining about them.  
> This list is for developers to collaborate, not tech support for your 
> complaints.  If you want to vent, for heaven's sake do that in a 
> personal blog, twitter, facebook, etc.
>
> Please follow these SIMPLE STEPS before you waste our time in reading 
> yet another "I-hate-LL-viewer-2.0-and-they-should-fix-it-post."
>
>    1. Has it been logged in JIRA?
>           * Yes, Comment on it there.
>           * No, Log it in JIRA.
>
> Linden Labs CAN view JIRA, so posting about specific articles becomes 
> redundancy at that point.  All you need to do is vote for the JIRA 
> topic.  Once you've logged your vote you can either get others to 
> vote, or sit quietly.
>
> Complaining about a feature and throwing around JIRA articles 
> accomplishes nothing except annoy those who have to hear that same 
> story, yet again.  And while the Lindens do monitor this, for the most 
> part, you are preaching to the choir. 
>
> So please, if you aren't going to pull up your sleeves and FIX IT, 
> then don't waste our time.  We know, the Linden's know.  Your post was 
> unnecessary.
>
> Jonathan Irvin
>
> P.S. Sorry for any one else who had to hear my rant.  Thanks.
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 14:51, Maya Remblai 
> <snowfox102 at dragonkeepcreations.com 
> <mailto:snowfox102 at dragonkeepcreations.com>> wrote:
>
>     Ok, I was trying to be diplomatic, but now I'm going to be frank.
>
>     It disturbs me that LL is ignoring how dangerous the shifting behavior
>     of the sidebar and the blinking and winking of 2.0 is. Some people
>     have
>     already had or come close to having seizures because of it, and people
>     without epilepsy are having motion sickness and vertigo. LL has been
>     warned about it, especially on the JIRA, but the complaints
>     haven't been
>     acknowledged. If LL loves 2.0 so much, the very least they're going to
>     have to do is include a video game style seizure warning on startup.
>
>     Read the comments on this JIRA entry.
>     http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17249
>
>     Here's the meta for all sidebar issues. The comments on most of these
>     point out the photosensitivity issue.
>     http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-17012
>
>     Maya
>
>     Maya Remblai wrote:
>     > All interesting ideas, but it would be prudent to include a
>     floater as
>     > an option. Not only will it make things easier on experienced
>     users and
>     > those who don't like the sidebar, it will make things easier for the
>     > devs making versions of Viewer 2.0 for photo-sensitive people to use
>     > without issue.
>     >
>     > Maya
>     >
>     > Nyx Linden wrote:
>     >
>     >> Good question! There is still a lot of detail left out of these
>     >> descriptions, but we are planning on moving the UI in the
>     appearance
>     >> editor into the sidebar, along with creating a new outfit
>     editor UI.
>     >> You will still see the results of the changes you are making on
>     your
>     >> avatar in-world in real time. There will still be an "editing
>     >> appearance" mode as you have now, it will just be accompanied by a
>     >> panel in the sidebar instead of a separate floater.
>     >>
>     >>  - Nyx
>     >>
>     >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Argent Stonecutter
>     >> <secret.argent at gmail.com <mailto:secret.argent at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:secret.argent at gmail.com <mailto:secret.argent at gmail.com>>>
>     wrote:
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>     On 2010-03-22, at 12:45, Nyx Linden wrote:
>     >>
>     >>         1) A new panel to edit what is stored in your saved
>     outfit without
>     >>         creating a new one.
>     >>           This will include both an inventory view and a view
>     of your
>     >>         outfit
>     >>         itself, so you can drag items from your inventory to your
>     >>         outfit without
>     >>         having an extra floater open
>     >>         2) Editing of wearable items (body parts and/or clothing
>     >>         objects) in the
>     >>         sidebar, selectable from the outfit editor
>     >>         3) Removal of the appearance floater
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>     I have a concern about this, where it comes to editing outfits
>     >>     containing prim parts. You have to see them in world, you can't
>     >>     just edit them in a sidebar window, because you may need to
>     edit
>     >>     them with reference to objects in world.
>     >>
>     >>     If I'm mistaken about what "removal of the appearance floater"
>     >>     means, in the context of a UI designed to allow you to edit
>     >>     outfits without having to wear them, then I'll be happy to be
>     >>     corrected.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
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