[opensource-dev] The Plan for Snowglobe

Rob Nelson nexisentertainment at gmail.com
Fri Sep 10 16:40:18 PDT 2010

  Understand that since the Emerald fiasco, many viewer developers who 
have since "retired" are coming back either via user pressure or to take 
advantage of the power vacuum.  I personally just finished fixing up 
Luna for messing about in InWorldz.  Their developers seemed interested 
in my Lua engine, and I'm out of my "coder's block".

Rob Nelson

On 9/10/2010 4:27 PM, dilly dobbs wrote:
> I would like to know 2  things, as an observer.  You continue to make 
> statements like 'TPV developers' as if you speak for them all.
> Secondly, I distinctly remember you saying goodbye to us all, Is this 
> your Hi im back statement?
> This isn't meant to be offensive im just trying to understand where 
> your coming from.
> I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by
> Douglas Adams
> On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Henri Beauchamp <sldev at free.fr 
> <mailto:sldev at free.fr>> wrote:
>     On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:22:25 -0400, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence) wrote:
>     >   On 2010-09-09 7:15, Aidan Thornton wrote:
>     > > On 9/8/10, Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)<oz at lindenlab.com
>     <mailto:oz at lindenlab.com>>  wrote:
>     > >>          * Take down the Snowglobe subversion repository
>     > > That's going to be kinda obnoxious, because it means
>     non-Linden Labs
>     > > developers won't be able to look back at what was changed in
>     > > Snowglobe, when and why. There will still be mainstream 1.23-based
>     > > viewers by then unless Linden Labs does something incredibly
>     brilliant
>     > > or something incredibly stupid, and they'll still have a use
>     for the
>     > > Snowglobe version control history.
>     >
>     > Viewer developers should be thinking now about how to migrate to
>     the new
>     > code base so that you can support your features and interfaces
>     with the
>     > new underlying capabilities (and there are more coming)
>     Viewer developers will not consider migrating to the viewer 2 code
>     base
>     for many months, because it's simply easier for them to port the few
>     interesting new features of viewer 2 to viewer 1, than to redo the
>     whole
>     UI of viewer 2 to match their user base expectations and needs.
>     I already ported the Tattoo and Alpha wearables months ago to the Cool
>     VL Viewer (and most TPVs now reuse my patch), and the inventory item
>     links support a few weeks ago. I'll work next on multiple attachments
>     per point.
>     With Snowglobe v1.5 as the code base and the above cited backports,
>     you already have a better viewer than viewer 2, with a better
>     stability
>     and higher frame rates...
>     > and superior stability that the new code base has.
>     ROFLOL !!!!
>     You are kidding, aren't you ?... If not, then please try using a good
>     TPV and see how many times it crashes in a week... 0 for the Cool VL
>     Viewer (and I'm using it every day). Fact is that TPVs got fixes that
>     v1.23.5 doesn't have and that makes them MUCH stabler than 1.23.5, and
>     v2 (which is even worst, stability-wise, than v1.23.5 !). The reason
>     is simple: should I crash, I trace the crash down and fix the code.
>     Crash gone !
>     > Eventually (and there is _no_ plan for when this will be - certainly
>     > longer than 3 months), it will no longer be possible for us to
>     continue
>     > to support viewers based on the 1.x code base (including our
>     own), and
>     > we'll stop.
>     By then, all the required changes will be ported to the v1 codebase
>     and migrating to v2 will still be unnecessary... This could go like
>     that for at least one or even two years before the backports become
>     too cumbersome to be worth staying with v1. I know it first hand,
>     since I did just that with the Cool VL Viewer v1.19.
>     > Well before this happens, we'll have a public discussion
>     > about it, and about what must be supported to remain compatible.
>      If you
>     > have moved to and stayed reasonably current with the 2.x code
>     base, then
>     > it will be a non-event for you.
>     Again, TPV developers are not going to bother with v2 unless YOU,
>     Linden
>     Lab, change your stance on the UI and do accept reversals to the
>     v1 way,
>     where needed.
>     Henri.
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