[opensource-dev] opensource-dev Digest, Vol 78, Issue 26

[Brent Racobs]

On Jan 31, 2017 2:00 PM, <opensource-dev-request at lists.secondlife.com>
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>    1. Re: Linux (Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence))
>    2. Mac viewer and Apple maintained opensource        libraries
>       (Geir N?klebye)
>    3. Re: Mac viewer and Apple maintained opensource libraries
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> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 18:37:49 -0500
> From: "Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)" <oz at lindenlab.com>
> Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Linux
> To: "Nicky D." <sl.nicky.ml at googlemail.com>
> Cc: "opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com"
>         <opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com>, Nat Goodspeed
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> On 2017-01-30 12:41 , Nicky D. wrote:
> >> For the time being, we expect that it will be based on the current
> system,
> >> modified to use system libraries rather than autobuild packages that
> build a
> >> static executable (some packages will be used in our builds for
> proprietary
> >> components).  I'm not sure that answers your question...
> >>
> > This is the old Squeeze based Debian?
> No, we're going to leapfrog to Jessie for this.
>
> >> Granted, *.deb is a much used package manager for debian and derived
> >> distros. Will any other distro package managers be developed? I assume
> the
> >> answer is no so, will OS developer submissions of other package manager
> >> formats be accepted?
> >>
> >> Let's worry about getting one to work... if we're wildly successful with
> >> that and there's a good reason to do something else, we'll discuss it.
> > I'm not sure yet what to make out of this change, as we possible need
> > to see a deb to see
> > about some of the consequences. Just a few thoughts:
> >
> > - Standalone is afaik broken since a long time, for example there is
> > missing FindXXX.cmake
> > files for various packages.
> >
> > - As far as I know are there no system packages for (at least) glod,
> > colladadom, breakpad and cef.
> >
> > - Some distributions only ship openjpeg2, not 1.4 or 1.5 (for example
> > I cannot find anything older than 2
> > for Debian Wheezy). Possibly this can be worked around with non
> > standard deb repositories in apt.conf.
> >
> > - Compiling the deb eg on Squeeze and trying to install it on
> > something Wheezy based could lead to
> > interesting results, due to the dependent packages from the Squeeze
> > system being recorded in the deb.
> > (Or compiling on Wheezy and installing on Jessie and so on).
> >
> > - VLC: Henri pointed out a few times, that the VLC api is not exactly
> > stable between releases.
> >
> > - Boost will be interesting
>
> Well, if it was easy it wouldn't be any fun, would it?
>
> --
> OZ LINDEN | Engineering Director, Second Life
> email or hangouts: oz at lindenlab.com <mailto:oz at lindenlab.com> | Real
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> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 11:55:13 +0100
> From: Geir N?klebye <geir.noklebye at dayturn.com>
> Subject: [opensource-dev] Mac viewer and Apple maintained opensource
>         libraries
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> Are you all aware of the Apple maintained opensource libraries already
> included in macOS that you also maintain and use in the viewer?  Examples
> are libexpat, pcre, openAL, hunspell and openssl.
>
> It might be easier to build the macOS version of the viewer with these
> libraries, rather than spend (a lot of) effort on maintaining them for
> macOS on your own.
>
> Opensource that is included in every version of macOS is listed on
> https://opensource.apple.com <https://opensource.apple.com/> with code to
> be downloaded.
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> In addition there are the system framework image handling dylibs in
> /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Fra
> meworks/ImageIO.framework/Resources/
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> Cheers,
> Geir N?klebye aka Gavin Hird
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> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 12:05:53 +0000
> From: Cinder Roxley <cinder at alchemyviewer.org>
> Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Mac viewer and Apple maintained
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> On January 31, 2017 at 4:55:26 AM, Geir N?klebye (
> geir.noklebye at dayturn.com <mailto:geir.noklebye at dayturn.com> ) wrote:
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> Are you all aware of the Apple maintained opensource libraries already
> included in macOS that you also maintain and use in the viewer? ?Examples
> are libexpat, pcre, openAL, hunspell and openssl.
> Most of which are woefully out of date.
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This has been the largest waist of Linden Lab's money in development I have
ever had a chance to watch.
the x86 cpu is an ancient devices.
The thought of looking at all the commits on scripts for "ARCH" is insane.
As many of us have watched this OZ we pretty much watched you single handed
steal money from linden lab's
for unnecessary work.  Windows 7 is no longer supported by windows on 99
percent of the machines Vivox makes a 64 bit
 plugin for you.
Fact OZ your wonderful Autobuild I do like has become a joke. ARMS 32 cpu
will be fazed out soon the viewer has no use for it.
Just take the work Imprudence did in 2009 and stop ripping off Linden Lab's
ok.
Mac is now only supporting 64 bit since last year. Windows 10 is the same.
At this point your team has pretty much become worthless writing commits
for ARCH

This is real simple stuff in the opensource community.
To create a build system that requires scripts to build 32 and 64 bit when
there is no need to
do this.
And to think Linden Labs is this blind to watch you rip them off is nut's.
 build your 64 bit lib's and build the  viewer. Fix the code in the client
like we all have been doing
for years so it compiles stop ripping off Linden Labs.
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