[opensource-dev] opensource-dev Digest, Vol 79, Issue 7

Brent Racobs flats_fixed at flatsfixedbicycles.com
Sun Feb 12 15:01:53 PST 2017


OH well some one gets paid to complicate stuff. To me it is a rip off to
linden labs. the 64 bit viewer was done a long time ago rest is stroking
some scripts. No respect for the wheel I see.

On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 11:59 AM, <
opensource-dev-request at lists.secondlife.com> wrote:

> Send opensource-dev mailing list submissions to
>         opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>         https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/
> opensource-dev
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>         opensource-dev-request at lists.secondlife.com
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>         opensource-dev-owner at lists.secondlife.com
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of opensource-dev digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: opensource-dev Digest, Vol 78, Issue 26 (Brent Racobs)
>    2. Re: opensource-dev Digest, Vol 78, Issue 26 (Darien Caldwell)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 10:55:45 -0600
> From: Brent Racobs <flats_fixed at flatsfixedbicycles.com>
> Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] opensource-dev Digest, Vol 78, Issue 26
> To: opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com
> Message-ID:
>         <CADWa8vi7Bjqk28CqE1dpa1sk3J2ZAdwYiQEEzFxaRBysbHeyXg at mail.
> gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Jan 31, 2017 2:00 PM, <opensource-dev-request at lists.secondlife.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Send opensource-dev mailing list submissions to
> >         opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com
> >
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >         https://lists.secondlife.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openso
> > urce-dev
> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >         opensource-dev-request at lists.secondlife.com
> >
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> >         opensource-dev-owner at lists.secondlife.com
> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of opensource-dev digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. Re: Linux (Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence))
> >    2. Mac viewer and Apple maintained opensource        libraries
> >       (Geir N?klebye)
> >    3. Re: Mac viewer and Apple maintained opensource libraries
> >       (Cinder Roxley)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 18:37:49 -0500
> > From: "Oz Linden (Scott Lawrence)" <oz at lindenlab.com>
> > Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Linux
> > To: "Nicky D." <sl.nicky.ml at googlemail.com>
> > Cc: "opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com"
> >         <opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com>, Nat Goodspeed
> >         <nat at lindenlab.com>
> > Message-ID: <4a74f4d6-835b-70fe-f31f-5de197cf37f9 at lindenlab.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > On 2017-01-30 12:41 , Nicky D. wrote:
> > >> For the time being, we expect that it will be based on the current
> > system,
> > >> modified to use system libraries rather than autobuild packages that
> > build a
> > >> static executable (some packages will be used in our builds for
> > proprietary
> > >> components).  I'm not sure that answers your question...
> > >>
> > > This is the old Squeeze based Debian?
> > No, we're going to leapfrog to Jessie for this.
> >
> > >> Granted, *.deb is a much used package manager for debian and derived
> > >> distros. Will any other distro package managers be developed? I assume
> > the
> > >> answer is no so, will OS developer submissions of other package
> manager
> > >> formats be accepted?
> > >>
> > >> Let's worry about getting one to work... if we're wildly successful
> with
> > >> that and there's a good reason to do something else, we'll discuss it.
> > > I'm not sure yet what to make out of this change, as we possible need
> > > to see a deb to see
> > > about some of the consequences. Just a few thoughts:
> > >
> > > - Standalone is afaik broken since a long time, for example there is
> > > missing FindXXX.cmake
> > > files for various packages.
> > >
> > > - As far as I know are there no system packages for (at least) glod,
> > > colladadom, breakpad and cef.
> > >
> > > - Some distributions only ship openjpeg2, not 1.4 or 1.5 (for example
> > > I cannot find anything older than 2
> > > for Debian Wheezy). Possibly this can be worked around with non
> > > standard deb repositories in apt.conf.
> > >
> > > - Compiling the deb eg on Squeeze and trying to install it on
> > > something Wheezy based could lead to
> > > interesting results, due to the dependent packages from the Squeeze
> > > system being recorded in the deb.
> > > (Or compiling on Wheezy and installing on Jessie and so on).
> > >
> > > - VLC: Henri pointed out a few times, that the VLC api is not exactly
> > > stable between releases.
> > >
> > > - Boost will be interesting
> >
> > Well, if it was easy it wouldn't be any fun, would it?
> >
> > --
> > OZ LINDEN | Engineering Director, Second Life
> > email or hangouts: oz at lindenlab.com <mailto:oz at lindenlab.com> | Real
> > Life: Scott Lawrence
> > LINDEN LAB | Create Virtual Experiences <https://www.lindenlab.com>
> > -------------- next part --------------
> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> > URL: http://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/opensource-dev/attachm
> > ents/20170130/73d930ef/attachment.html
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 11:55:13 +0100
> > From: Geir N?klebye <geir.noklebye at dayturn.com>
> > Subject: [opensource-dev] Mac viewer and Apple maintained opensource
> >         libraries
> > To: opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com
> > Message-ID: <197E8CC4-417C-439E-AEE4-0231243277C4 at dayturn.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Are you all aware of the Apple maintained opensource libraries already
> > included in macOS that you also maintain and use in the viewer?  Examples
> > are libexpat, pcre, openAL, hunspell and openssl.
> >
> > It might be easier to build the macOS version of the viewer with these
> > libraries, rather than spend (a lot of) effort on maintaining them for
> > macOS on your own.
> >
> > Opensource that is included in every version of macOS is listed on
> > https://opensource.apple.com <https://opensource.apple.com/> with code
> to
> > be downloaded.
> >
> >
> > In addition there are the system framework image handling dylibs in
> > /System/Library/Frameworks/ApplicationServices.framework/Fra
> > meworks/ImageIO.framework/Resources/
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Geir N?klebye aka Gavin Hird
> > -------------- next part --------------
> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> > URL: http://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/opensource-dev/attachm
> > ents/20170131/62ebbe35/attachment-0001.htm
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 12:05:53 +0000
> > From: Cinder Roxley <cinder at alchemyviewer.org>
> > Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Mac viewer and Apple maintained
> >         opensource libraries
> > To: opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com
> >         <opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com>
> > Message-ID:
> >         <01000159f46abe46-afa83f5f-857c-4ac7-a983-2e4f55ee2dbb-00000
> > 0 at email.amazonses.com>
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > On January 31, 2017 at 4:55:26 AM, Geir N?klebye (
> > geir.noklebye at dayturn.com <mailto:geir.noklebye at dayturn.com> ) wrote:
> >
> > Are you all aware of the Apple maintained opensource libraries already
> > included in macOS that you also maintain and use in the viewer? ?Examples
> > are libexpat, pcre, openAL, hunspell and openssl.
> > Most of which are woefully out of date.
> >
> > --?
> > Cinder Roxley
> > Sent with Airmail
> >
> > -------------- next part --------------
> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> > URL: http://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/opensource-dev/attachm
> > ents/20170131/db2fcc4e/attachment-0001.htm
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > opensource-dev mailing list
> > opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com
> > /index.html
> >
> >
> > End of opensource-dev Digest, Vol 78, Issue 26
> > **********************************************
> >
> This has been the largest waist of Linden Lab's money in development I have
> ever had a chance to watch.
> the x86 cpu is an ancient devices.
> The thought of looking at all the commits on scripts for "ARCH" is insane.
> As many of us have watched this OZ we pretty much watched you single handed
> steal money from linden lab's
> for unnecessary work.  Windows 7 is no longer supported by windows on 99
> percent of the machines Vivox makes a 64 bit
>  plugin for you.
> Fact OZ your wonderful Autobuild I do like has become a joke. ARMS 32 cpu
> will be fazed out soon the viewer has no use for it.
> Just take the work Imprudence did in 2009 and stop ripping off Linden Lab's
> ok.
> Mac is now only supporting 64 bit since last year. Windows 10 is the same.
> At this point your team has pretty much become worthless writing commits
> for ARCH
>
> This is real simple stuff in the opensource community.
> To create a build system that requires scripts to build 32 and 64 bit when
> there is no need to
> do this.
> And to think Linden Labs is this blind to watch you rip them off is nut's.
>  build your 64 bit lib's and build the  viewer. Fix the code in the client
> like we all have been doing
> for years so it compiles stop ripping off Linden Labs.
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: http://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/opensource-dev/
> attachments/20170211/63b7113a/attachment-0001.htm
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 09:59:29 -0800
> From: Darien Caldwell <darien.caldwell at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] opensource-dev Digest, Vol 78, Issue 26
> To: "opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com"
>         <opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com>
> Message-ID:
>         <CAD1wxTSviQrV4qHFAcJtGP6sxBCQ0T3VJ6+xJx8zURRPyb7GFA at mail.
> gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Brent Racobs <
> flats_fixed at flatsfixedbicycles.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >> This has been the largest waist of Linden Lab's money in development I
> > have ever had a chance to watch.
> > the x86 cpu is an ancient devices.
> > The thought of looking at all the commits on scripts for "ARCH" is
> insane.
> > As many of us have watched this OZ we pretty much watched you single
> > handed steal money from linden lab's
> > for unnecessary work.  Windows 7 is no longer supported by windows on 99
> > percent of the machines Vivox makes a 64 bit
> >  plugin for you.
> > Fact OZ your wonderful Autobuild I do like has become a joke. ARMS 32 cpu
> > will be fazed out soon the viewer has no use for it.
> > Just take the work Imprudence did in 2009 and stop ripping off Linden
> > Lab's ok.
> > Mac is now only supporting 64 bit since last year. Windows 10 is the
> same.
> > At this point your team has pretty much become worthless writing commits
> > for ARCH
> >
> > This is real simple stuff in the opensource community.
> > To create a build system that requires scripts to build 32 and 64 bit
> when
> > there is no need to
> > do this.
> > And to think Linden Labs is this blind to watch you rip them off is
> nut's.
> >  build your 64 bit lib's and build the  viewer. Fix the code in the
> client
> > like we all have been doing
> > for years so it compiles stop ripping off Linden Labs.
> >
> >
> > It's not 'stealing money', it's their job. I'll be honest I barely follow
> what you're trying to say, but I do see of factual inaccuracies.
> - Windows 7 is still being run on 40% of machines worldwide; whether
> Microsoft continues to support it officially or not is irrelevant.
> - Windows 10 *does* support 32 bit, both as an O/S version, and as the
> ability to run 32 bit executables. 32 bit isn't going away. And since some
> key libraries such as Havok only have 32 bit versions, a 32 bit Viewer will
> always be required.
> - The whole point of LL having an Open Source program is to share the
> viewer code with the community. Nobody is "Ripping LL off", LL does what
> they do to share the fruits of their labor with the community. In short
> they *want* the community to use their work. Otherwise they wouldn't
> publish anything. And in turn the community supplies them with code as well
> (which they are choosy about accepting, as is their right).
>
> As for Apple, IMHO it can DIAF, but trying to support it certainly isn't a
> waste if a large enough % of users use that O/S.  I'm pretty sure LL is in
> a far better position to judge what is and isn't a waste of their resources
> than you are.
> -------------- next part --------------
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
> URL: http://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/opensource-dev/
> attachments/20170211/e43a956e/attachment.htm
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> opensource-dev mailing list
> opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com
> /index.html
>
>
> End of opensource-dev Digest, Vol 79, Issue 7
> *********************************************
>



-- 
FLATS FIXED Emergency repairs flatsfixedbicycles.com
This message has been sent by the most powerful bleeding edge operating
system known to man SLACKWARE64-CURRENT <http://www.slackware.com/>We Get
The Slack Back. It is free. Try it you will never go back just keep the
slack.
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://lists.secondlife.com/pipermail/opensource-dev/attachments/20170212/01c7c4d5/attachment-0001.htm 


More information about the opensource-dev mailing list