[sldev] Mailing list chatter (Re: Upcoming viewer releases?)

[Rob Lanphier]

On 8/29/07 11:23 AM, Callum Lerwick wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-08-29 at 11:04 -0700, Rob Lanphier wrote:
>   
>> Linden Lab developers will not sign up for a high volume mailing list. 
>> They've already got too many pressures on their productivity to spend
>> their time reading disorganized conversation.
>>     
>
> And then they wonder why we complain about a "reality bubble". :)
>
> If Linden Lab can't take the time to engage their own community, well,
> you reap what you sow.
>   

We engage the community.  We just don't do it exactly the way you
personally want us to do it.  The discussion on this mailing list is
heavily biased toward people that like mailing lists.  I've had
countless conversations, however, with people outside of Linden Lab who
also feel that sldev is "overwhelming".  We engage those people, too.

> Its sad that you consider this a high volume mailing list. It averaged
> 30 messages a day last month. This month its only averaged 16 so far!
> High volume is kernel-devel. Or fedora-devel... (bleh)
>   

30 messages/day x 1 min message = 3.5 hours/week/developer.  That
becomes really expensive for everyone here to do.  I imagine that if we
start engaging more, the 16/day number is going to go right back up.

To be clear, I also push Linden Lab developers, program managers, and QA
engineers to engage here.  We often hold office hours and bug triages. 
When someone pings me on IRC, I respond more often times than not.

I'll admit that Linden Lab developers are sometimes operating more in a
bubble than they should (it varies dev to dev).  However, merely
pointing out that we operate in a bubble isn't going to fix the
problem.  You are asking us to change.  I'm trying to tell you the
conditions that would facilitate such a change, which you can help with.

For example, one thing that would be INCREDIBLY productive is if people
were to actually put things that we don't seem to be addressing on the
open source meeting agenda page:
https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/Open_Source_Meeting/Agenda

That page is often empty week-to-week.  It's up to you all to set the
agenda.  We'll show up and talk about what you want to, and we'll post
the minutes for people that can't be there, AND we'll even respond on
this mailing list to post-meeting comments if folks want to continue the
conversation here.  However, we're asking for a little help here.

Thanks
Rob




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