[sldev] Re: Upcoming viewer releases?

[Callum Lerwick]

On Wed, 2007-08-29 at 12:17 -0700, Ryan Williams (Which) wrote:
> > Internally, LL has mail lists that are very chatty. I'm surprised more
> > Lindens aren't brave enough to post externally. There is probably some
> > worry about insider information, but the chatty groups have nothing to
> > be kept inside. Security issues obviously need to stay internal. I
> > believe I read somewhere about an effort to put all viewer related
> > changes on the external jira, so that there would be nothing internal
> > about it.

Hahahaha. So SL devs have time to spend on internal mailing lists, but
spending time on an external one is just too much?

You know, if you're worried about the signal to noise ratio, maybe if
y'all actually contributed to the signal, instead of contributing to the
noise by complaining about the noise, it would improve. :)

Going the opposite way around, there was a small flame war waged a while
back, accusing Red Hat employees of holding important decision making
discussions affecting Fedora in private mailing lists, with employees
asserting that the internal mailing lists were in fact mostly dead, and
what email discussions there was, really were happening on public lists.
It was admitted that there was some "over the cubicle wall" talk that
needed to be better communicated to the public.

> Yeah, I think it's mostly inertia, moving people from a communication
> channel they already know to a different (albeit very similar) one.  We
> probably need to do more kicking of ass and taking of names on this
> account though.  :-)

Why move them? Why should they move? Why should I move? You have to
realize, speaking for myself, Second Life isn't the only project I'm
involved in. I'm involved in Fedora, OpenJPEG, some contract work, and
various other things, all of which operate through mailing lists and
personal emails. Email is the center of my workflow. Trying to force me
to Jira and Wiki is taking Second Life out of my established workflow.
If you force me to go babysit Jira and the wiki, most likely I'm going
to simply forget to do so. And I do.

Of course a large part of the problem is Jira doesn't seem to support
email notification. Insanity! A lot of actual Fedora workflow happens in
Bugzilla, which does email notification by *default*, essentially
turning each bug into a mini mailing list, and thus integrates bugzilla
into my email workflow.

Now wiki... does the wiki do email notification? Wiki's are a good
documentation maintenance platform, but I do not see the advantage for
general discussion. Fedora uses a wiki for all our project
documentation, even.
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