[sldev] Opening the server source?

[Brandon Husbands]

- We need to be in a position to profit from the growth that comes
with third-party sim hosting - at least enough to replace lost revenue
from our own sim hosting.
Simple Domain name registration type of thing.



- We need to be in a position to run a variety of versions of the sim
on the same grid.
 Make it manditory for the version. Or atleast compatibility if the
sis not compatable people can not TP there.




- We need to be able to scale core services to meet a spike in use
from a zillion new sims.
Reallocate sims... also if you charge enough for a person to be a
liscensed registrar not everyone can run a server.




- Licensing issues on the middleware that I don't even want to ever
have to think about. (Thank you, Rob and Liana!!!)
No idea :P


On 6/25/07, Tao Takashi <tao.takashi at googlemail.com> wrote:
> forgot to CC the list of course.. ;-) here my reply to Soft..
>
> Hi!
>
> Just to get this clear: Is releasing the server as open source and opening
> up the grid to plugin third-party servers one project?
> I'd think that as long as you don't open up the grid but only release the
> source code you wouldn't have to worry about lost revenue?
> (as long as nobody creates the backend services themselves and creates
> another (separate) grid).
>
> Of course I can imagine that opening up the grid is a somewhat difficult
> task to do from all points of view.
>
> -- Tao
>
>
>
> 2007/6/25, Soft Linden <soft at lindenlab.com>:
> > We're certainly a ways off from being in a position where opening the
> > sim source fully would make sense. I haven't been in on these
> > discussions, but as an outsider to those discussions, I can anticipate
> > that LL wouldn't want to do this until a few things happen:
> >
> > - We need to be in a position to profit from the growth that comes
> > with third-party sim hosting - at least enough to replace lost revenue
> > from our own sim hosting.
> >
> > - We need to be in a position to run a variety of versions of the sim
> > on the same grid.
> >
> > - We need to be able to scale core services to meet a spike in use
> > from a zillion new sims.
> >
> > - Licensing issues on the middleware that I don't even want to ever
> > have to think about. (Thank you, Rob and Liana!!!)
> >
> > That said, it's probably silly to treat open sourcing the sim as an
> > all-or-nothing affair. If there are specific pieces of the sim you'd
> > like to see, I can lobby for us to open source select files.
> >
> > What you can do is to identify any specific bits and, for each, give
> > me strong justification I can arm myself with. The stronger and more
> > concise, the better. I'd have to convince folks (including myself if
> > I'm putting my name to the effort!) that the benefits outweigh the
> > costs. Between legal, developer time, and security auditing, this
> > isn't free. Good will on sldev is worth a lot - but so is remaining
> > solvent. :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/24/07, Able Whitman <able.whitman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Right, having the source in order to build a working simulator only
> makes
> > > sense if you can also build the pieces of the SL service that the sim
> > > depends on.
> > >
> > > But even without a decoupled architecture, the server source has a great
> > > deal of value today: It would tell us how the sim works and interacts
> with
> > > the viewer, in much more complete detail than what we can infer from the
> > > viewer source.
> > >
> > > Just having a copy of the server source for examination would be
> extremely
> > > useful. Either that, or a set of detailed, up-to-date design specs. In
> my
> > > experience, though, "up-to-date" and "design specs" are mutually
> exclusive
> > > concepts. So I would prefer the source. :)
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/24/07, Adam Frisby <adam at gwala.net> wrote:
> > > > **Speculation**:
> > > >         I believe LL is targetting sometime next year for the official
> > > server
> > > > release. As far as I am aware, LL still has a long way to go towards a
> > > > distributed central architecture before that is a possibility,
> although
> > > > they certainly appear to be moving in that direction fairly quickly.
> > > >
> > > > Adam
> > > >
> > > > Able Whitman wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Laurent reminded me of a post I meant to make after triage, but
> forgot
> > > > > about in my absentmindedness...
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be nice to know more about the plans to release the sim
> source.
> > > > > At the last bug triage, Rob mentioned that it was a "long topic for
> > > > > another time". I'm not really asking for every last detail, just
> some
> > > > > information on where things stand, and where they're going.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a timetable for releasing the server code? Are there
> blocking
> > > > > issues that are confounding the process? At his town hall, Cory
> talked
> > > > > about the next generation of SL (I'm not sure if "SL 2.0" was his
> term
> > > > > or not). Will we see a server source release before "SL 2.0"?
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm just askin' :)
> > > > >
> > > > > --Able
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/24/07, *Laurent Laborde* <kerdezixe at gmail.com
> > > > > <mailto: kerdezixe at gmail.com> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >     On 6/25/07, Soft Linden <soft at lindenlab.com
> > > > >     <mailto: soft at lindenlab.com>> wrote:
> > > > >      > Are there one or two things that frustrate you the most,
> > > > >      > which we could make part of our third quarter goals?
> > > > >
> > > > >     The server side performance and bug we can't patch because it's
> > > > >     closed source.
> > > > >     (and being syadmin, i'm sure i could help with server
> performance)
> > > > >
> > > > >     ::smile::
> > > > >
> > > > >     --
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