Exporting stuff, permissions, and licenses (was Re: [sldev] realXtend Global inventory tests successful)

Darien Caldwell darien.caldwell at gmail.com
Sun Aug 24 11:55:30 PDT 2008

I don't know how Mark can seriously say 'This isn't a debate."  It
will be a debate as long as you have one side expounding on having
everything full perms because 'it's already stolen anyway", versus
those who want reasonable protections in the middle, versus those who
want Encrypted Everything in a Black Box extremists.

It will cease being a debate when Linden Lab finally outlines exactly
what they intend to do and how they intend to do it. That hasn't
happened yet.

On 8/24/08, Lawson English <lenglish5 at cox.net> wrote:
> Gareth Nelson wrote:
>> Here's the thing: A human-readable URL is precisely that - human
>> readable. But a flag is machine-readable, and thus gives a means to
>> automate checking in tools for cross-grid transfer. I know that this
>> would be incredibly useful for my own efforts at least, as my current
>> approach is basically "IM creator with bot, ask consent with a yes/no,
>> upon yes complete export" and this does not scale very well.
> I absolutely agree, and I susptect that most Lindens involved in the
> technical side do as well.
> But that's the issue: they aren't setting policy, so to even react
> favorably in public to such a scheme implies that it is
> what LL policy will look like.
> Zero said on the Metanomics interview a few weeks ago that there has
> been enough discussion tin the past year exploring the technical, legal,
> economic, social, etc ramifications of open grid permissions that they
> can now start a discussion about the specifics of what LL should do and
> what a more universal protocol for permissions should look like in order
> to accommodate LL's needs and the needs of a large subset of the other
> models for intellectual property permissions that other virtual worlds
> might choose to use instead.
> http://metanomics.net/archive080408
> http://www.metanomics.net/transcript080408
> [...]
> "MARK LENTCZNER: From Linden's end, we intend, in the same way in which
> I have been holding open office hours for the last year, on the
> technical side of it, to begin to hold a series of forum and a series of
> conduits for information from people. I've been working with some other
> people inside the community group, inside Linden Lab, to begin to set
> those up. I know it might have felt like this was a technocracy where we
> started, but do recognize there was a tremendous amount of technical
> framework that had to get laid down before we could even get to the
> point of actually having a rational discussion about what the options
> were, and we are now approximately at that point.
> I expect this fall for those forums to begin to open up and to become
> available, at least ones that Linden will hold, in the same way that
> Linden started the technical forum, the AWG in my office hours. We
> highly encourage, just like the AWG existed, that other groups also form
> forums in which these things can be discussed and looked at.
> The one thing I will put forth is, remember for us to think about this
> as a discussion. This is something that needs to be looked at. It isn't
> a debate. There aren't two sides. We need to look at and discuss and
> explore how to go about doing this as Virtual Worlds grow, and that's
> what we want to have. On the one hand, is involving discussion, and I
> think that's what we're going to have to help facilitate."
> Lawson
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