Exporting stuff, permissions, and licenses (was Re: [sldev] realXtend Global inventory tests successful)

Gareth Nelson gareth at litesim.com
Sun Aug 24 12:15:11 PDT 2008

Give this man an orange!
It's rather pointless debating this until LL give the official "word".

On Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 7:55 PM, Darien Caldwell
<darien.caldwell at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know how Mark can seriously say 'This isn't a debate."  It
> will be a debate as long as you have one side expounding on having
> everything full perms because 'it's already stolen anyway", versus
> those who want reasonable protections in the middle, versus those who
> want Encrypted Everything in a Black Box extremists.
> It will cease being a debate when Linden Lab finally outlines exactly
> what they intend to do and how they intend to do it. That hasn't
> happened yet.
> On 8/24/08, Lawson English <lenglish5 at cox.net> wrote:
>> Gareth Nelson wrote:
>>> Here's the thing: A human-readable URL is precisely that - human
>>> readable. But a flag is machine-readable, and thus gives a means to
>>> automate checking in tools for cross-grid transfer. I know that this
>>> would be incredibly useful for my own efforts at least, as my current
>>> approach is basically "IM creator with bot, ask consent with a yes/no,
>>> upon yes complete export" and this does not scale very well.
>> I absolutely agree, and I susptect that most Lindens involved in the
>> technical side do as well.
>> But that's the issue: they aren't setting policy, so to even react
>> favorably in public to such a scheme implies that it is
>> what LL policy will look like.
>> Zero said on the Metanomics interview a few weeks ago that there has
>> been enough discussion tin the past year exploring the technical, legal,
>> economic, social, etc ramifications of open grid permissions that they
>> can now start a discussion about the specifics of what LL should do and
>> what a more universal protocol for permissions should look like in order
>> to accommodate LL's needs and the needs of a large subset of the other
>> models for intellectual property permissions that other virtual worlds
>> might choose to use instead.
>> http://metanomics.net/archive080408
>> http://www.metanomics.net/transcript080408
>> [...]
>> "MARK LENTCZNER: From Linden's end, we intend, in the same way in which
>> I have been holding open office hours for the last year, on the
>> technical side of it, to begin to hold a series of forum and a series of
>> conduits for information from people. I've been working with some other
>> people inside the community group, inside Linden Lab, to begin to set
>> those up. I know it might have felt like this was a technocracy where we
>> started, but do recognize there was a tremendous amount of technical
>> framework that had to get laid down before we could even get to the
>> point of actually having a rational discussion about what the options
>> were, and we are now approximately at that point.
>> I expect this fall for those forums to begin to open up and to become
>> available, at least ones that Linden will hold, in the same way that
>> Linden started the technical forum, the AWG in my office hours. We
>> highly encourage, just like the AWG existed, that other groups also form
>> forums in which these things can be discussed and looked at.
>> The one thing I will put forth is, remember for us to think about this
>> as a discussion. This is something that needs to be looked at. It isn't
>> a debate. There aren't two sides. We need to look at and discuss and
>> explore how to go about doing this as Virtual Worlds grow, and that's
>> what we want to have. On the one hand, is involving discussion, and I
>> think that's what we're going to have to help facilitate."
>> Lawson
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