[opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV next Tuesday (4/13)

Tigro Spottystripes tigrospottystripes at gmail.com
Sat Apr 10 10:25:43 PDT 2010

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a baby can still crawl over the TV remote and turn it on right when a
horror movie is playing, that baby analogy didn't quite work

On 10/4/2010 14:14, Dzonatas Sol wrote:
> Hi Joe,
> In case I don't make the Brown Bag, I just wanted to point out the fact 
> that simply developers, which includes how Linden Lab has invested 
> resources to sustain such world, don't share a view with users that 
> Virtual Reality that Virtual Reality is not just a game. This 
> realization is actually desired despite the politics of how we all move 
> from what has been said virtual is not really virtual. I won't digress 
> here about the subject, yet the monitor in front of us we can't touch 
> and see and that is not 'fake' as some people treat virtual to only 
> mean. I even imagine a house size 'monitor' where every wall can act as 
> an interactive colorful display that consists of many organized liquid 
> crystal units spread on like paint. That's the future... for now we have 
> e-paper. It's something we can't really just say is not possible 
> anymore, and it is something that may affect how we see content (or 
> broken content) in relation to policies like the TPV.
> I gather from the TPV that is it intended to help prevent broken 
> content, yet it has been easily attacked. I think the notion of how to 
> deal with broken content gets lost when developers worry more about how 
> to protect their liabilities. Developers simply want to say 'use at your 
> own risk' from a software development standpoint, yet that doesn't give 
> anything to help ensure content doesn't break.
> With that in mind, any word that implies 'responsibility' somehow hasn't 
> carried the concern about how to prevent content breakage when anybody 
> connects to SL Grid.I'm sure we don't want to paint our houses with a 
> 'use at your own risk' and expect to say it is baby-safe. What would a 
> baby see if an accidental bump in the wall activated something that 
> parents would consider an undesirable experience for baby or child. I 
> can only imagine the horror if the scene of the wall suddenly changed to 
> spook the baby as if monsters came out of the wall. Maybe this isn't 
> quite broken content, yet it is still an ideal situation to mention to 
> level where 'responsibility' is distinct from 'liabilities'.
> Just something to think about....
> Joe Miller wrote:
>> Morgaine,
>> Thanks for asking.  My interest is to listen to specific concerns 
>> voiced by the majority of the community *and* (more importantly) take 
>> */proposed solutions/* to those concerns under advisement before the 
>> policy becomes effective on April 30.  It won't be very productive for 
>> anyone if it's just a grousing session about legal theory or 
>> hypothetical situations that may or may not occur in the future.  Yes, 
>> I will take all serious proposals back into the company for serious 
>> consideration.  But, make no mistake, I'm not asking for a change set 
>> that makes one person happier at a time.  I'm looking for the minimum 
>> change set that represents the broadest possible consensus among the 
>> community of TPV authors.
>> So, yours are good questions, and I do intend to champion the TPV 
>> community's collective voice in this process.  I hope we emerge with 
>> something actionable out of these meetings.
>> -- Joe
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