[opensource-dev] Requesting Linden Response: Please move TPVP Topics to a different mailing list
Joe Linden
joe at lindenlab.com
Wed Apr 14 11:49:59 PDT 2010
For those watching without the benefit of a transcript or the actual words I
said in the meeting yesterday, here was the rest of that quote: "* **we've
had a lot of internal debate around cost/benefit of OS **... and we're fully
committed to redoubling our commitment to make this a successful program*."
Was it infuriating that we have internal debates from time to time on how we
staff our projects, or infuriating because we are redoubling our efforts in
many ways to make this a more successful and meaningful project for the OS
community than it has been in the past? I was actually making a comment
that we've not done this very well to date (in fact, we've sucked at it),
and we're committed to many changes to improve the situation.
Either way, we're sorry to see you go.
-- joe
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Rob Nelson
<nexisentertainment at gmail.com>wrote:
> And yet, it does restrict GPL distribution rights. We've been over this
> already. And I'd like to see where the FSF OKed it, the only thing I
> can turn up on Google is Richard Stallman not being too happy about it.
>
> I already changed the viewer I used to be working on to Luna, but both
> the GPL incompatabilities and this rather infuriating "cost/benefit"
> comment by Joe have resulted in me deciding that LL does not deserve any
> further OSS development work from me.
>
>
> On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 14:11 -0400, Ron Festa wrote:
> > Honestly I tried looking through my inbox to find out what your
> > concerns were and why no one else addressed them so forgive me if I
> > couldn't find them. The only problems I saw you had was compatibility
> > with the GPLv2 and the use of "Life" in your viewer name.
> >
> >
> > The issues with Section 7 were in fact addressed and took up most of
> > the meeting. Someone claimed they went as far as bringing the TPVP
> > before the FSF to verify if its GPLv2 compliant and sadly according to
> > them it is as its restricting a service not the code. Never the less
> > concerns were brought up and productive changes were suggested.
> >
> >
> > As for the branding this should be no argument. If in a court of law
> > they can make Lindows change their name to Linspire because Microsoft
> > owns *indows then LL can do the same with all the TPV's as stupid as
> > that is.
> >
> >
> > If these aren't your only concerns please share them so some of us can
> > deliver them by proxy for you since the time zone difference seems to
> > be the biggest problem for you.
> >
> >
> > Ron Festa
> > Virtual Worlds Admin
> > Division of Continuing Studies at Rutgers University
> > PGP key: http://bit.ly/b1ZyhY
> > Phone: 732-474-8583
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Rob Nelson
> > <nexisentertainment at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I decided to read the transcript and it did not address any of
> > my
> > concerns.
> >
> > [12:21][Voice Transcript] Joe Linden: we've ha a lot of
> > internal debate
> > around cost/benefit of OS
> >
> > ^ That was all I needed to hear. Debate's effectively over.
> >
> > On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 09:27 -0700, Joe Linden wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Rob,
> > >
> > > I take it you weren't at the meeting yesterday?
> > >
> > > -- Joe
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Rob Nelson
> > > <nexisentertainment at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > It's already reached a point where LL has told us,
> > to our
> > > faces, that
> > > they are not going to change the policy, meaning our
> > opinion
> > > doesn't
> > > mean diddly to them. There's no use continuing to
> > discussion,
> > > just as
> > > there's no use continuing TPV development.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 07:52 -0500, Jonathan Irvin
> > wrote:
> > > > To Whom It May Concern:
> > > >
> > > > I'm requesting Linden Lab's response to this
> > inquiry due to
> > > the recent
> > > > influx of new topic related...or should I say
> > unrelated to
> > > the
> > > > development of the SnowGlobe viewer. Lately, when
> > I open my
> > > email, I
> > > > get 5-10 different topics and responses daily to
> > the recent
> > > changes
> > > > for the Third Party Viewer policy and I feel that
> > this is
> > > not related
> > > > to SnowGlobe or related development at all.
> > > >
> > > > To "clear the pipes", can we please move these
> > discussions
> > > to a
> > > > different forum or list so valid OpenSource
> > development
> > > questions are
> > > > not lost in the flames, complaints, and
> > discussions related
> > > to this
> > > > specific topic?
> > > >
> > > > I do not feel it is valid in this forum to talk
> > about which
> > > > Third-Party Viewers in the directory were already
> > > impersonated or
> > > > which part of the third party viewer policy they
> > do not
> > > like.
> > > >
> > > > Linden Labs, if you can please isolate this to
> > another
> > > forum, I bet
> > > > those who are truly interested in the opensource
> > development
> > > of the
> > > > Second Life viewer would be more in tuned to
> > staying here
> > > rather than
> > > > wake up to read yet another unproductive "I hate
> > LL and the
> > > TPVP lets
> > > > get together and share our misery post".
> > > >
> > > > Respectfully & Best Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan Irvin
> > > > SL Resident of 5 Years.
> > >
> > >
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