[opensource-dev] Lindens way ahead of us

Marc Adored marc at inworlddesigns.com
Sun Sep 26 21:10:34 PDT 2010


Well as I said before off is off and on is on your choice. Much more
choice then breast physics give. I find it creepy that some perv is
looking at my wife watching her boobs bounce and she has no control
over it other then logging off which is unacceptable btw. Not that it
really bothers me but I'm just sayin... At least with RLV features
they are controllable by the person that matters which is the person
it controls. I was trying to stay away from the whole creepy thing
because it is the more subjective issue of this thread and tried to
focus on the usefulness of the features. Regardless of what the fact
that you can see the usefulness of it I do and others have based on
the features I see added into some very popular huds like the emdash
hud which has a "favorites" landmark feature which when you set it to
can automatically teliport to to locations instead of giving you map
links which you have to click then click again to teliport or it can
force you to sit on a teliporter to go to the spot if its in the same
sim instead of you having to click on the teliport to sit yourself.
This is something you have to eneable even if RLV is enabled its not
something that happens automatically. Also most RLV implementations
have a warning when scripts try to use it the first time until you
allow it for security reason. After all it would really suck to attach
a hud that stripped you naked and tp'd you to sex sim :P Again the
emdash features may not be something you may find useful but I do
saves a lot of time and aggravation and just makes the tool seem that
much better integrated. The only usefulness I can see for breast
physics is having my wife do the bay watch gesture and we enjoy her
boobs bouncing for a good minute as a novelty. Some people have
control issues which make the useful features of RLV scary or even
creepy and those people shouldn't use it which is why there is on and
off switches :)

I see possibilities for misuse but only to people who are click happy
and don't read warnings when they come up. other then that a script
will only have control of your RLV features if you allow it to and RLV
will only have control of you if you allow it to. A simple relog and a
few clicks and RLV is off if something goes wrong no big deal. So to
me i see much more gain and very little potential for abuse.

I'll stop replying now though because I have said all I need to say at
least I think and the next step is just to become a flame war which is
not productive.

On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Erin Mallory
<angel_of_crimson at hotmail.com> wrote:
> "RLV adds a lot of useful features scripters can take advantage of just
> like I mentioned previously like force sitting and force teliporting
> can be great for automating things like rides and tours or even huds
> for combat that can send you to other parts of a sim or detach weapons
> or really anything you can imagine."
>
> That's just creepy. I cannot think of a single legitimate reason I would
> need to be force teleported anywhere except possibly by a linden.
> Linden teleports were already built into the viewer.  Why would I need or
> want a combat system to disarm me or teleport me?
> If a combat hud could disarm me, then so could someone that made a hacked
> hud to cheat with. And whose to say it would stop with weapons?
> Sorry, I see way too much potential for abuse and not enough for gains.
> there are already systems in place for tours with teleportation systems that
> don't need rlv scripts to work.
>
>
>> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 23:37:07 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Lindens way ahead of us
>> From: marc at inworlddesigns.com
>> To: angel_of_crimson at hotmail.com
>> CC: opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com
>>
>> Actually there is no way to turn it on in other peoples viewers if its
>> in their viewer. If someone told you that they mislead you. The on/off
>> is whatever you set it too, no body else can change that short of
>> hacking your computer. There is no backend or hidden code or anything
>> like that. I have yet to see a TPV that has any such feature.
>>
>> RLV adds a lot of useful features scripters can take advantage of just
>> like I mentioned previously like force sitting and force teliporting
>> can be great for automating things like rides and tours or even huds
>> for combat that can send you to other parts of a sim or detach weapons
>> or really anything you can imagine. Please be careful repeating things
>> you've herd false information can be very damaging and hinder very
>> good progress. Personally I would rather see RLV over breast physics
>> but then again thats just me :P
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Erin Mallory
>> <angel_of_crimson at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > yeah, I've had it on by default in a couple viewers i tried, and in one
>> > of
>> > those it claimed to be off.  and there's ways to turn it on other
>> > people's
>> > viewers without them even knowing.  I do not understand why LL would
>> > include
>> > RLV into a viewer.
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:00:14 -0600
>> > Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Lindens way ahead of us
>> > From: ilana.debevec at gmail.com
>> > To: angel_of_crimson at hotmail.com
>> >
>> > Don't panic. If you don't turn RLV on or you don't wear an RLV relay it
>> > absolutely CAN NOT affect you
>> > On Sep 26, 2010 8:56 PM, "Erin Mallory" <angel_of_crimson at hotmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Yay for breast physics, but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE say that RLV is NOT
>> >> being
>> >> added....
>> >> RLV is just scary and I will look for a tvp without it before I allow
>> >> others to take my clothes off with an RLV trap...
>> >>
>> >> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:37:30 -0700
>> >> From: miss_c_27 at yahoo.com
>> >> To: opensource-dev at lists.secondlife.com
>> >> Subject: [opensource-dev] Lindens way ahead of us
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> All this talk about adding these plug ins.... RLV and breast physics
>> >> plug
>> >> ins were added to viewer 2 already.
>> >>
>> >> They were just going to surprise us I suppose -.-
>> >>
>> >> I found it here
>> >> http://bitbucket.org/oz_linden/test1/changeset/bbecf41db5c8
>> >>
>> >> Quote:
>> >> merge avatar physics up to latest viewer-development
>> >> 49
>> >> #include "llbreastmotion.h"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> 49
>> >> 50
>> >> #include "llviewercontrol.h"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> YAY
>> >>
>> >> Miss
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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