[sldev] UI streamlining strategy

[Tateru Nino]

It's true that extensive logs are kept. Sony, for example, kept pretty 
much every scrap of data for Everquest - sufficient, I think, that you 
could replay the entire game-world from the logs. Your ISP can probably 
look up your complete web-browsing history if they care to also. Such 
logs are routine - I like to think that I'm just not interesting enough 
that someone with access is going to pry into my affairs.

The logging is important, though. Otherwise it's hard to find out that 
something seriously crashes (for example) if you send an umlaut in an IM 
(this actually happened. More than once).

Gordon Wendt wrote:
> No more than World of Warcraft keeps logs of what goes on in their 
> servers, that's not the best example I know. Users always have the 
> options of deactivating their accounts and leaving otherwise when 
> using ANY online service you agree that any interaction with their 
> servers are logged.  The reason this would need permission is that 
> it's information that people wouldn't generally expect to get sent to 
> the servers so it really would be a bit of a privacy violation to not 
> give it as opt-in.  Incidentally you do have other options, you can 
> use SL text chat solely as a means to share your AIM name which is a 
> communications means outside of SL, and for voice nothing is stopping 
> you from setting up a Ventrilo or Teamspeak server which, going back 
> to WoW, is exactly what the majority of people choose to do over WoW's 
> built in voice feature/
>
> -Gordon
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Tigro Spottystripes 
> <tigrospottystripes at gmail.com <mailto:tigrospottystripes at gmail.com>> 
> wrote:
>
>     I already don't like that they keep chatlogs on the servers without us
>     having a choice (besides not using SL at all or using external
>     means to
>     chat), I'm not 100% sure I could trust them to not include more
>     than one
>     would expect once this permission is given, though perhaps if a big
>     enough amount of the respected open source community revised all the
>     code involved in gathering the data on the client side and approved it
>     perhaps I might consider providing consent for them to track my mouse,
>     clicks, button presses and a few other things
>
>     Ricky escreveu:
>     > Of course, this would be an opt-in clause?  AKA a "Would you like to
>     > send your anonymous usage data to LL to help with improving our UI?"
>     > popup during the first run of the program. (DO NOT use the text
>     I just
>     > wrote!! :P )
>     >
>     > A lot of programs I use ask that question. Admittedly, I tend to hit
>     > "no" by default, but it would help prevent people from complaining
>     > about LL spying on them...  (Ridiculous, I know!)
>     >
>     > Ricky
>     > aka Cron Stardust
>     >
>     > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Moriz Gupte
>     <moriz.gupte at gmail.com <mailto:moriz.gupte at gmail.com>
>     > <mailto:moriz.gupte at gmail.com <mailto:moriz.gupte at gmail.com>>>
>     wrote:
>     >
>     >     Hey there, I am starting a new thread as a response to your
>     >     suggestion. This idea resonates with a lot of us but for some
>     >     reason did not follow through whenever it was raised (the
>     one time
>     >     I remember was a post on SLViews last year).
>     >     I think shortcuts to rapid decisions e.g. votes work but it
>     comes
>     >     with some campaigning distractions..
>     >     There are well developed click path analyses, click through
>     >     evaluations out there...and we could get inspired from them. I
>     >     think gaze based evals (fixation/dwell analyses) have their
>     place
>     >     too and is to expected in a bleeding edge metaverse platform
>     company.
>     >
>     >
>     >             Extracting Usability Information from User Interface
>     >             Events
>     <http://www.fxpal.com/publications/FXPAL-PR-00-162.pdf>
>     >
>     >
>     >             Eventseer.net - Understanding the user - logging and
>     >             interpreting user interactions in information search and
>     >             retrieval <http://eventseer.net/e/10343/>
>     >
>     >
>     >             DATA LOGGING: HIGHER-LEVEL CAPTURING AND MULTI-LEVEL
>     >             ABSTRACTING OF USER ACTIVITIES
>     > <http://linc.cs.vt.edu/papers/2000/HeNeIsCa-Logging-HFES/>
>     >
>     >
>     >     I think with Melinda's approach which she mentioned could be
>     done
>     >     fairly quickly would be a fantastic start. We could look into
>     >     patterns of clicks, eliminate UI interactions, coalesce
>     functions
>     >     and so on.
>     >     I imagine this approach should already be taking at LL so this
>     >     info may be redundant.
>     >
>     >     Ramesh
>     >
>     >     I think Melinda Green has a great idea to collect usage data on
>     >     the user interface, it would give a lot of information on how it
>     >     is being used. I would expand it a bit and save all interactions
>     >     (with the UI) sequential. That way we can also learn which
>     actions
>     >     are taken after each other, if it turn out button A and Z are
>     >     always pressed after one another we could create button AZ and
>     >     simplify. We might want to start a new chain to discuss this.
>     >
>     >
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