[sldev] RE SnowGlobe and copybots

Nexii Malthus nexiim at googlemail.com
Thu Sep 10 23:47:06 PDT 2009


Panic has done more damage than copybots really have done.

That's all.

- Nexii

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Bill Windwalker <
billwindwalker at rocketmail.com> wrote:

> Well it was more then just shoes they taken for they was doing copybot of
> the LL Build in korea1 and that build was by the Linden Lab people them
> self.
> What was the rule about copying assets that belong to Linden Lab and what
> if they upload it from the Linden Lab computer some place on to another
> companys computer system just to mirror SL and every thing in SL just to
> sale it later on to a bigger company?
> what is the over all lost then ?
> can it be put in numbers ?
>
> xstorm Radek
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> *From:* Ann Otoole <missannotoole at yahoo.com>
> *To:* sldev at lists.secondlife.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 1, 2009 10:50:46 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [sldev] SnowGlobe and copybots
>
>  I watched someone using cryolife cruise around in my parcel this morning
> where that account was banned so honestly I think LL has much bigger fish to
> fry. Stealing a pair of eshoes is nothing compared to the access control
> system being compromised. Yes there is a pjira defect open on it.
> http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-4632
>
> Honestly it is looking like the only solution is a bot that teleports home
> anyone not using an LL compiled viewer. And that still won't get them all.
> But if it is deployed to most of Second Lifethen it might send a clear
> message to Linden Lab they need to deal with the problem. Or will LL begin
> banning people for defending themselves from these hacked third party
> viewers? Is it against the TOS to deny access to non LL compiled viewers?
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* nyx linden <nyx at lindenlab.com>
> *To:* Ron Festa <overdrive at dceo.rutgers.edu>
> *Cc:* sldev at lists.secondlife.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 31, 2009 1:52:35 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [sldev] SnowGlobe and copybots
>
>     Additionally, the technique to stop malicious clients from stealing
> your clothing textures (namely, only sending out baked but not local
> texture data) will be in the main client in the next major release, as
> part of a larger avatar overhaul. The reasons for this extend beyond
> content theft, but stopping this is a major benefit to this switch in
> protocol.
>
>     Combating griefing attacks and content theft is not an easy task,
> but we are taking steps to minimize the potential for abuse, and we try
> to have systems in place for what to do when it does occur (including
> dealing with the specific instance of abuse as well as looking for ways
> to prevent future issues). We're always looking for ways of making the
> client secure, and welcome feedback and ideas to help us move in this
> direction.
>
> -Nyx
>
> Ron Festa wrote:
> > While its true they can modify the opensource code to turn a client
> > into a copybot, as far as I know there really hasn't been any known
> > copybot viewers that have popped up because there's no code in the LL
> > viewer that allows asset copying. Majority of copybots are really
> > modded poorly written legit bots. While there is a really obscure
> > patch that's floating around griefer circles, most griefers are not
> > programmers. Most do not know how to inject and maintain custom code
> > into the source code then compile it with every version.
> >
> > But, thanks to the open source viewers floating around you also have
> > an amount of protection from griefers you can't get in the LL viewer.
> > Viewers like Meerkat & Emerald make it impossible for them to steel
> > your clothing and provides additional tools that would prevent them
> > from attacking your or removing them from your property before they
> > become a problem. Plus they have a bunch of fun stuff in them that
> > just make your life easier in SL.
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:15 AM, Bill
> > Windwalker<billwindwalker at rocketmail.com
> > <mailto:billwindwalker at rocketmail.com>> wrote:
> > > Good day every one.
> > > Yesterday i was a victim of a copybot and a group of griefers.
> > > this type of bullying and theft of content needs to stop they are
> > making a
> > > joke out of all the hard work people do in SL.
> > > As i sat and talk to a friend a griefer had taken only a sec to copy
> > my AV
> > > and every thing i had on in a sec and did it to the very sim i was in.
> > > And what they did say in voice made it sound like linden lab had no
> > power to
> > > stop any griefer.
> > > i even have screen shots of this attack.
> > > what im told is they can do it with open source viewers .
> > >
> > >
> > >
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